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⌈ Secret Post #3195 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Male only spaces

[(Anonymous)]

That's a super weird codicil to add there, man

I mean, I don't think that intellectuals are immune from toxic masculinity, but I'm p hard pressed to see a way in which they are particularly prone to it

seems more like some kind of odd prejudice on your part tbh

Re: Male only spaces

[dethtoll]

lol

I said "self-professed." Here's the thing -- a lot of people tend to go through life thinking they're smarter than they actually are -- men especially. A lot of people ALSO tend to play up certain things they like as "highbrow" as a means of feeding superiority. (Witness the trend of "ironically" liking things as a way of avoiding judgment for liking something "smart" people supposedly shouldn't like.)

Combine that with the usual sense of male entitlement and a bunch of fragile egos and you have a recipe for a very toxic environment. It's why I had to get out of fandoms for "intellectual" games (read: any PC game that gets labeled an "immersive sim" which is a meaningless bullshit buzzword that's been adopted by Thief fans and the like who use it with all sincerity) and it's why I avoid most old-school PC gaming forums, especially ones for RPGs.

Re: Male only spaces

[(Anonymous)]

Okay listen Dethtoll, I'm not even saying you're wrong, but at a certain point, not everyone who likes highbrow or intellectual things is exactly like the people on that one Thief forum that you hate

More broadly I agree that being an arrogant dick about highbrow things is absolutely one way of being an arrogant dick, but I still don't think that the things one likes are in any way a useful predictor for anything about one's character

Re: Male only spaces

[dethtoll]

I never said any of that though. I'm saying male only spaces tend to breed that sort of behavior. It's like you've got an entire room full of people like me and Herpy. There's gonna be a fight.

Re: Male only spaces

[(Anonymous)]

If your opinion is that male-oriented spaces tend to turn into spaces for acting like dickheads, I think that's a reasonable argument. I don't entirely agree in principle but I think in practice there's a lot of truth to that.

But I also still don't think the thing about 'self-professed intellectuals' is necessary to make this point. It's not like it's less true for people who aren't 'self-professed intellectuals', right?

Re: Male only spaces

[dethtoll]

I dunno. IME dopey yokels -- the regressive, uberconservative types who make a bunch of noise about how liberals hate America and are gunna take away your beer and porn -- their insults tend to be more or less the same shitty stuff you hear all the time -- ethnic slurs, boilerplate misogyny, whatever. But some of the most cutting, evil, soul-destroying shit I've ever heard is from people who have command of a wider vocabulary than you'll find in a copy of the New York Post.

I'm not sure I'm making my point clear enough, but here's hoping.

Re: Male only spaces

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, I'm not so much disagreeing with that, I think everyone is very capable of being fucking terrible. But that cuts both ways - if intellectuals are no better than uneducated people, I think it makes sense to say they're also no worse.

Re: Male only spaces

[dethtoll]

You're not really WRONG, per se -- intellectuals/educated people/folks what think they're smarter than they actually are/whatever are just as prone to biases and petty bullshit as their more yokely brethren.

What I'm getting at is that guys who strive to appear intelligent (rather than simply letting their intelligence speak for itself) and therefore are drawn to perceived "classier" pursuits or interests, or at the very least academics, tend to create far more toxic environments.

It's probably subjective, I guess. I'm just going by experience -- dumb rednecks are good for a laugh whereas "geek" spaces are horrifying.

Re: Male only spaces

[(Anonymous)]

I think all human beings are capable of creating awful, toxic, abusive environments, and I think it's probably best to leave it at that

Re: Male only spaces

[(Anonymous)]

well, what you saying isn't reaching faith, in humanity.
it is being ignorance and blinded.