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[ SECRET POST #3195 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3195 ⌋

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Tend to devolve to shit pretty quickly, especially if it's full of self-professed intellectuals.

That's a super weird codicil to add there, man

I mean, I don't think that intellectuals are immune from toxic masculinity, but I'm p hard pressed to see a way in which they are particularly prone to it

seems more like some kind of odd prejudice on your part tbh

lol

I said "self-professed." Here's the thing -- a lot of people tend to go through life thinking they're smarter than they actually are -- men especially. A lot of people ALSO tend to play up certain things they like as "highbrow" as a means of feeding superiority. (Witness the trend of "ironically" liking things as a way of avoiding judgment for liking something "smart" people supposedly shouldn't like.)

Combine that with the usual sense of male entitlement and a bunch of fragile egos and you have a recipe for a very toxic environment. It's why I had to get out of fandoms for "intellectual" games (read: any PC game that gets labeled an "immersive sim" which is a meaningless bullshit buzzword that's been adopted by Thief fans and the like who use it with all sincerity) and it's why I avoid most old-school PC gaming forums, especially ones for RPGs.

Okay listen Dethtoll, I'm not even saying you're wrong, but at a certain point, not everyone who likes highbrow or intellectual things is exactly like the people on that one Thief forum that you hate

More broadly I agree that being an arrogant dick about highbrow things is absolutely one way of being an arrogant dick, but I still don't think that the things one likes are in any way a useful predictor for anything about one's character

I never said any of that though. I'm saying male only spaces tend to breed that sort of behavior. It's like you've got an entire room full of people like me and Herpy. There's gonna be a fight.

If your opinion is that male-oriented spaces tend to turn into spaces for acting like dickheads, I think that's a reasonable argument. I don't entirely agree in principle but I think in practice there's a lot of truth to that.

But I also still don't think the thing about 'self-professed intellectuals' is necessary to make this point. It's not like it's less true for people who aren't 'self-professed intellectuals', right?

I dunno. IME dopey yokels -- the regressive, uberconservative types who make a bunch of noise about how liberals hate America and are gunna take away your beer and porn -- their insults tend to be more or less the same shitty stuff you hear all the time -- ethnic slurs, boilerplate misogyny, whatever. But some of the most cutting, evil, soul-destroying shit I've ever heard is from people who have command of a wider vocabulary than you'll find in a copy of the New York Post.

I'm not sure I'm making my point clear enough, but here's hoping.

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Uh huh. You probably don't like hanging out with your own kind huh? The Intellectual Comic Fan Atheist.

Never said I was an intellectual, sugar cookie.

Lol. That is why you and Herpy don't get along. You are both pseudo-intellectuals with holier-than-thou attitudes.

Nah, nah.

Shit like this is why we don't get along.

Omg. You have bookmarked your baby fights. How cute! Do you have pics of him on your trapper keeper?

You're kind of stupid, aren't you? It's okay, I'm accommodating of your condition.

Here's some help: I get notifications for DW comments, including dumb ones like yours, in my email. Since I use Gmail like, well, most people, my emails can go back years 'n years. All I gotta do is put in appropriate search terms and PRESTO, I can find notifications for just about any thread I want that I've gotten a response to.

Too complex? Here, I'll dumb it down for you: it's magic.

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Reading Herpy's threads about not eating meat is just like reading your threads about comics. Like...you two are alike. That is why you don't get along.

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Oh shit. He jokingly said you should eat greens with your chicken which became an argument because you two are idiots. HE IS THE FUCKING WORST. We should rid the world of him.

The video game ones was you bring a jerk for no reason. Like, what he said wasn't really out of line or weird. You were just overreacting to someone not liking something you like (as usual).

Car crash one was him being an asshole. But I highly doubt you have not been said something shitty like that beofre.

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Why do you do the thing where you respond to the troll, and not the person politely asking what you meant

Takes longer to respond to the polite person (typing that up in another tab now.)

When you say self-professed intellectuals, you really mean spergers who have bought into the bullshit about autism giving them superior brain structures right? I'm so sick of that aspergers makes them superior beings shit that their moms inoculate them with.

I confess I've only met a few of those people.

Oh my God, fuck off with your "autistic agenda" crap.

I've met more wannabe intellectuals who didn't have anything but an over-sized ego.

Same goes for female only spaces though. Women have the exact same ability to be elitist assholes or just plain assholes, they just usually are a lot less upfront about it. Which, personally, I find worse.

Actually, I think you just explained the difference between "intellectual" male-only spaces and, say, car forums. At least when you visit Stormfront or whatever you know what you're getting into.

Nono, women will be very upfront about it. But where men will tell you you're 'gay' or 'a virgin' or 'a nerd', women will tell you how unPC you are. Look at what women do in shipping wars now. It's all about which ship is the MOST feminist or the MOST progressive, and anything else can be twisted into 'promoting rape' or 'abuse' or 'racism'. I've seen anti-crosstagging on tumblr that was just vile.

Yeaaaah I've been in some awesome looking-out-for-each-other women-only spaces which don't devolve into elitism and backstabbing, so it happens. I've also been in some fucking shit ones too.

Tend to devolve to shit pretty quickly

Devolve? Sweetie, they start as shit. Take the shit based foundation of masculinity, and built put from there with the shit bricks of male interactions, male pass times, and male contempt for women. It doesn't become shit, it starts off as a shit house for shit people.

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