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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-10-08 06:31 pm

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Re: Toxic Masculinity

(Anonymous) 2015-10-08 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think it's possible to draw a bright line distinction. I think that's broadly the rule of judgment in human affairs: to figure out the application of broad principles to specific instances & to sort out the inevitable conflicts between the various outcomes you want to achieve in any situation. So, I mean, yeah. I think it mostly comes down to good judgment.

i do think, you know, as a sort of rough guideline, i would say that mostly the time when you're supporting men is when in the context non-toxic emotional interactions with them, when you're talking to them in a reasonable, non-fraught conversation, when you have a real friendship, those kinds of moments - and that generally the time to attack toxic masculinity is when it is manifesting in a way that concretely and immediately harms people.

and, yeah, often these things play off against each other. again - society's a stone-cold motherfucker.

Re: Toxic Masculinity

(Anonymous) 2015-10-08 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
SA but i just realized i should elaborate something:

to me, toxic masculinity is fundamentally an underlying mindset - an ideological approach to the world, a certain understanding of reality and a set of emotional attitudes which exists even at the times when it is not actually being turned into actions. toxic masculinity is not just the set of toxic things that men do; it's the underlying pathology. and that pathology is mostly what i have in mind changing.