[ SECRET POST #3204 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3204 ⌋

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Comments

[kitelovesyou]

For fuck's sake, why the fuck does it matter what a ship is and why people like it. Putting a social justice judgement on shipping preferences is only meaningful when talking about overall trends, like the prevalence of whitecock, else it's just a shamey way to shit on other people for liking something you don't.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't get why people feel the need to shame others for their shipping preferences. If someone is being an asshole, call them out on their asshole behavior but there's no need to drag all the fans of a ship into it.

And even for overall trends like whitecock, it seems like SJ types are far more eager to attack the (usually) female audience shipping them rather than the content creators; because white guys are still the majority of characters and they also get the most story focus and character development in most works. It feels like going after the wrong target, a weaker one that you can bully.

[kitelovesyou]

It feels like going after the wrong target, a weaker one that you can bully.

Heh, I know this one, infighting ahoy. I think it's important there are voices discussing problematic trends, but so often the source material is where it starts.

The temptation to jump from trend to individual is pretty unfortunate and unless that individual is completely shooting themselves in the foot, it's always better to give people the benefit of the doubt. Ship and let ship.

[a_potato]

It feels like going after the wrong target, a weaker one that you can bully.

I think that's part of it, as is the idea that it's much easier to attack fellow fans than it is to try and exact any meaningful change. They get to feel like they've done something without actually having to do anything.

More than that, though, I think it's about what ship drama has always been about: people taking shipping far too seriously and personally, and wanting to drag down those who ship differently from them as a result. And for those types of people, attacking ships under the guise of social justice seems like a great way to make it look like their shipping preferences are objectively better ("your ship is morally wrong!").

[(Anonymous)]

Completely agreed. I've got my preferences, too, of course, like anyone else, and there's some ships that don't grab me for whatever reason.

But I'm sure as hell not going to sit here and dictate who can and can't ship what, or go and shame fans of a pairing for liking something that does nothing for me. They're not forcing it on me, I don't have to read it, so it's no skin off my nose.

Shipping is supposed to be a fun activity. There's no need for all the drama.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I definitely agree with you. I ship a lot of different things, het, slash, and femslash alike, and, for me, shipping comes down to how interesting I find the characters' interactions.

To be honest, I don't really ship things based on how cute or romantic or healthy something is. Sometimes it ends up that I do ship something cute, healthy, or romantic, but my preference is to ship two very well-developed characters that have a lot of canon interaction and usually have conflicting personalities.

For some people, they might want to ship the most romantic and emotionally stable relationship, and that's fine! But I'm not going to ship something if I find one of the characters boring. Because of this, I get a lot of people calling my ships "abusive" and saying that I'm a terrible person for shipping them, which I don't really appreciate.

Re: AYRT

[kitelovesyou]

Because of this, I get a lot of people calling my ships "abusive" and saying that I'm a terrible person for shipping them, which I don't really appreciate.

Eurgghh, sorry you have to deal with that bullshit.

If/when I jump back into tumblr etc, if anyone says that about my ships I'm gonna let them have it. I only like abusive, "eventful", power-dynamic-fraught ships. This says absolutely fucking nothing about how good I am to the people in my life. That is straight up kinkshaming what people are doing. Reminds me of when I was closeted kink-wise and had to listen to my feminist friends go on about how bdsm was glorifying slavery and Nazism and real life rape and etc. Can't see this failure to distinguish between fantasy and irl as much different.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Go for it. You have every right to defend your interests and tastes and story ideas. I don't get where people got the idea that if you write about something in fiction you clearly condone or practice it in real life (if that were the case, Stephen King would be in a whoooooooooole lotta trouble!).

In real life, people get into messy and complicated and unhealthy relationships. In real life, bad things happen to people. In real life, people have very kinky sexual tastes. It's only natural and logical, then, that writers will tackle those subjects in their stories as a result.

There are plenty of good things that happen in the world, too, and healthy, loving relationships exist as well, of course, so certainly it's good for writers to write about those things as well. But fiction would be very boring and highly unrealistic (which may be ironic to say when it comes to fiction, but you know what I mean :p) if that was ALL that people wrote about.

And it's fine to discuss the messages that writers put forth, and how much of an influence, if any, they have on readers and fans. I like fictional analysis as much as the next person and its sociological implications can be interesting to talk about.

But there's good ways to do that, too, ways that don't involve making ignorant assumptions about the writers and automatically assuming that they either practice or condone every questionable or bad or unhealthy thing that they write about.

[nightscale]

Because people want an excuse to shit all over other people and using SJ buzzwords is the best way to make your argument look more legit.

(I seriously couldn't care less what other people ship, even if I don't get it/see it I am not going to bother someone over it, have fun with it man).

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I think it's important to look at trends, but I'm not keen on the way it mostly manifests as policing the preferences of individual fans, the majority of whom are women. I'm rather creeped out by the notion that any individual owes any character, person or group of people their interest in general, and their sexual interest in particular, and that that sort of policing is somehow not considered problematic at all.

[kitelovesyou]

Yep, I'm creeped out too. :/