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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-10-14 06:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #3206 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3206 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-10-14 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)


Anything can be carried to extremes, yes. But this why I generally ship slash:

1. Female characters tend to be thinly written and uninteresting. Male characters are written as *people*, female characters are often just plot-devices. The men want to have fun and do exciting things, the women are nagging shrews and enforces of conventional values and boring "normal" behavior. The male characters are written as colorful, complex, exciting, fun, multi-faceted. Are there good female characters out there? Sure. But female characters are often an afterthought in mainstream media, and they're written as stereotypes and it shows. They're not multi-dimensional, fully-realized, full-fledged characters.

2. I'm a straight woman. I'm attracted to males. I want more of what I'm attracted to. I want to look at males and read about males. Looking/reading/thinking about females is not as viscerally interesting. This should be very obvious. It doesn't mean that I disdain other women. It means I'd rather read/see something I'm sexually attracted to, than something I'm not. Since a great of fanfic consists of romance and erotica, it should come as no surprise at all that I want to read/see something I actually find erotically engaging and visually compelling. I don't tend to "put myself in the woman's place" when I'm reading a het romance or a het sex-scene, so it's not about disliking my own body or being uncomfortable with female sexuality. I'm not "eww, girls." But I'm straight and my context for thinking about women is not sexual.

3. I enjoy het romance in books, but not so much in TV/movies. Perhaps books have the time and space for more extensive character-development, plus they're not a visual medium.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-14 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)

*enforcers

(Anonymous) 2015-10-14 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)

*a great deal of fanfic.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-15 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
I'm also a straight woman, and I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I like reading things about women that I'm able to find relatable. (That said, it can be difficult sometimes). I do feel like fanfic allows writers to flesh out female characters more. I find slash smut...alienating and voyeuristic, I guess? It has no appeal to me. Also, I have a hard time finding gay men sexually attractive since I feel weird about imagining them in a sexual context since it's unrelatable to me.

When I read het smut, it's less about me self-inserting as the female character and more about me finding the fact that the man enjoys pleasuring the woman attractive. The fact that he enjoys giving women pleasure turns me on.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-15 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
This is exactly why I enjoy m/m.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-15 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
you seem to have had this conversation often...

(Anonymous) 2015-10-15 08:03 am (UTC)(link)
For me, it's three reasons too

1) your first one
2) canon het relationships are often poorly-written and lack chemistry. I ship real-life het and fem couples all the time, but I just can't find interesting enough for me het or fem couples in media.
3) Not all kinks/tropes even exist for het and and femme. I would read the hell outta trop "older/down-to-earth/caring/strong woman"/"youngish/quirky/childish person of any gender", but there aren't any! It's always the other way around.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-15 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
"all women are just poorly written shrews, barely even people! But my coffee shop AU where they fall in love at first sight is totally literature."

Nice misogyny, bro.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-17 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm with you on no. 3, and I have to wonder how much of it is that more books are written by women than TV shows.