[ SECRET POST #3214 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3214 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Lady Gaga, American Horror Story: Hotel]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sadly the game's pretty short on dialogue as a whole, compared to the average for MGS, but while I get where anon above is coming from, I didn't find it as disappointing as they did. I was worried it was just going to be "grr bah evil revenge murder grimdark," and there's some of that, but it ends up with a lot more shades of gray than I expected.

Kaz is actually the most interesting character in it, I think. He gets to have the most emotion out of anybody, and gets an interesting arc. Also Snake touches him a whole bunch.

The gameplay's really fun, too. I've racked up 90 hours on it easy, and there's still tons to do.

[elaminator]

I was worried it was just going to be "grr bah evil revenge murder grimdark,"

See, I actually wouldn't mind that on some level because we were led to believe that this game was all about Big Boss becoming a villain, and from what I've heard...that isn't at all what we got. So that right there basically killed almost all my interest in this game. (And I had A LOT of interest.)

I was so ready to be shocked, appalled and angry, and now I am but for different reasons, lmao. I guess I should at least watch the story bits to get the full picture but I don't think I want to sink any real time in it knowing (vaguely, at least) how it ends.

I don't even doubt that the gameplay is probably much better than it's ever been, but the major driving force behind my love for MGS is the story, and without that...idk.

At least Kaz gets a good character arc. Someone should. Ocelot should've too, bah. And Big Boss. And everyone...

[(Anonymous)]

this game was all about Big Boss becoming a villain

That's what I think is really interesting, because it is, just not in the way we expected. Like, we thought it would be about him crossing the line by torturing and killing people a bunch, but that wouldn't be new. He's always done that. His one principle, the one he claims to make Outer Heaven for, is to give soldiers freedom from being used as tools. The game is about him betraying that one.

The dangerous thing about Big Boss has never been that he's violent or ruthless or has a nuke. It's that he makes people become like him and then die for him. The scary thing is that people love him, and you can understand why. There's a running theme about parasites, including a mention of the ones that replicate themselves by making their host snails run out into the open and get themselves killed, and when it clicked I went woah.

The story is thinner and a lot less talky than in other MGS games (which is a drawback to me, since I always loved the story and never minded long cutscenes), but there's a lot there. It hasn't stopped being on my mind since I finished it, and I could write a whole book of essays about the themes and all that. As, uh, you can see me starting to do here.

SPOILERS FOR MGSV

[elaminator]

Not that I think anyone else is reading this now, but just in case.

The thing that bothers me is that you don't play as Big Boss at all. Now I haven't played or watched yet so I could be missing something, but from what I understand Big Boss sets up someone to 'run' things for him, then skips town. So even if Venom (I think, right?) gradually sees himself betray his principles (and he thinks he's Boss, and you don't learn he isn't till later so at the time it seems like Boss doing these things)...it isn't the same. Not to me. Even if him 'betraying' his principle of not using soldiers as tools is something that happens (if nothing else, by setting up this guy to impersonate him; though I'm sure there's more than that), if the real Boss is only in the game for a couple minutes the events of the story lose weight to me.

It's that he makes people become like him and then die for him. The scary thing is that people love him, and you can understand why. See, I do like that about him, and that's exactly what I was looking forward to seeing in the story; Boss doing things that weren't okay but people going along because they were still drawn in by him and found him convincing, but...I don't know. Figuring out the reveal left me cold.

(Oh, and about the cut-scenes: they were my favorite parts of the games. I love the never-ending narrative and am not ashamed of it.)

Re: SPOILERS FOR MGSV

[(Anonymous)]

That's the betrayal that I meant: the thing he does is steal a man's entire life and identity from him. I wish the reveal had been done better and not left for the very end of the game, after everybody and their mother on Mars had either heard about it from somebody or figured it out from the trailers three years ago, because the difference between the real Big Boss and Venom playing Big Boss is a really interesting thing. You actually get the impression (at least I did) that Venom is genuinely a better person. Once I got over the irritation at the abruptness of the reveal, I ended up liking him a lot.

More than being about BB himself, it's about how his legend gets bigger than him. There's a lot of things I was disappointed with and I wouldn't say I love it, but there's a lot that's interesting, too, and I think it's worth the play. It's one of those things where everybody's personal feelings and reactions are going to be very different. It kind of makes me think of 2, where initially everybody hated it but feelings changed over time. I can definitely understand avoiding it, but if you do give it a shot, I'd be curious to hear what you think.

(Cutscene love solidarity, man.)

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, but about what you were saying above, it doesn't actually demonize BB or make him into a devil for doing this to the guy. It just tells you "this is what he does" and leaves it up to you to decide what that says about him and what that makes you feel about him. Some people take it in a more positive way: that this guy, and by extension you the player, get to become part of the legend.

Re: SA

[elaminator]

I don't know how to feel about that. On one hand I think it's an interesting move to just tell the audience what happened and leave them to their conclusions, but on the other Kojima told us that this game was going to be about Big Boss becoming a villain. To get only a hint of that at the end of the game, even if it does have rather massive and disturbing implications, just sounds cheap to me, and like a cop-out.

IDK. It probably works better than it sounds, and I know that experiencing it personally would much much better than just hearing about it, but this was not the story I wanted. (I sound like an angry ten year old, I know, lol.)

after everybody and their mother on Mars had either heard about it from somebody or figured it out from the trailers three years ago

I expected it from the trailers, but basically wrote it off as impossible because "There's no way Kojima would do that to us, haha." Then I played through the prologue and was like, "Shit, it's true" and immediately turned my Xbox off and haven't felt like going back to it since, lol. I'm not sure if I think he should've done a better job hiding it or not. I think I would be even more upset if I had played for 80 hours, got to the end and been shocked by it.

it's about how his legend gets bigger than him.

In theory, I have no problem with that...but I'm apparently hung up on this and still believe the game could've explored that without actually leaving you playing as someone else.

Anyway, it's a good thing that you liked the game! I'm not trying to take that away from you, though it probably sounds like it with all my moaning! Someone SHOULD enjoy the game, and it's got great reviews so you are definitely not the only one.