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I was thinking about the prevalence of OOC in fic and fandom head-canons when I was reading some meta on Tauriel and Thorin regarding how the Hobbit movies wanted to portray them (curious about the outside world/compassionate; noble prince) versus what the movies actually showed us (Tauriel doesn't show any emotion at all to the deaths of her fellow elves; Thorin is a dick to a lot of people he has no reason to be a dick too, etc.)

It got me thinking about the dissonance between character interpretations where some fans will accept what they are told the character is like (what the character is intended to be) and some will latch onto what they are seeing the character is actually doing/saying. This can leave a wide gap for some characters. What do you guys think of this? Have you seen this in your own fandoms? Does it explain some of the prevalent OOC you see? Have you seen other meta on this?

One word: Twilight.

Gwen Cooper. The "HEART" of Torchwood, was self centered, unethical, self serving, pig-headed, and refused to see anyone's viewpoint if it conflicted with her own.

Yeah. Caused a lot of conflict, did what the creators said v what they showed on screen.

Ughhh, yeah, good example.

I didn't mind her as she was onscreen, except wherever she was shown to be the ~heart of the show, that got pretty grating.

Ugh yeah, Gwen. I never managed to finish watching TW because of how awful she gradually became.

She started out as my fav character, and then turned into damn near the villain of the show. Every episode became 'what horrible thing is Gwen going to do this time?' with the show writing playing it off like all the bad things she did were just because she's too sensitive and precious and it causes her to make mistakes.

Definitely. I generally fall on the side of looking at the characters' actions rather than the creators' stated intentions, though sometimes it can be helpful to consider what the creators were going for.
In SNK we get told a lot how much Levi trusts Erwin and what a beautiful trusting relationship they have, but I think there are relatively few moments in canon where they actually exhibit any extraordinary trust beyond what you'd expect from a soldier and their CO, and even fewer moments where Erwin seems to actually give a shit about Levi's feelings.
And don't get me started on ACWNR :|

But in fandom, if you dare question their relationship, the screaming hordes will descend upon you for "bashing".

Yeah, Hanji always read as being Erwin's confidant much more to me. So I wasn't surprised in the least when he put her in charge of the Survey Corps.

Well, to me being put in charge didn't read so much as not trusting/confiding in Levi, but in Levi being a much better tactician and not giving enough shits about logistics and such. Levi's used to being in charge of smaller groups. He also gets very personally invested in his soldiers, which is great for commanding squads, but not so great for an army.

Had the series been willing to give us more character development for Levi, I think that watching him struggle as the commander could have been extremely interesting.

But yeah, Hanji seems to have a closer personal relationship with Erwin, in some ways. It's one of my obstacles in shipping Erwin/Levi - I think it could be interesting, but it would need a LOT of development, and most of the shippers seem to think all the development has already happened...

This is what so weird about Eruei for me and why I can't ship it. I can see the loyalty from Levi, though it's more that he genuinely see Erwin as a commander who is capable of bringing humanity to freedom. Erwin on the other hand I can't see looking at Levi as anything more than a good soldier. Trusting someone with your life doesn't mean personal closeness. Also I kinda don't like Erwin, he's an interesting character but in my opinion not that good of a person. Levi has lots of character developements in the recent chaters but I don't think it's exactly what the fandom sees.

SA

Eruri. Damn brain.

Yes! Exactly!
I swear, F!S is the only place I can come and have these kind of conversations about the characters. Most days the rest of the fandom feels like they're reading a totally different manga.
Like you say, I think there's a huge difference between trust and closeness. Levi definitely trusts Erwin as a commander, but emotionally? I just remember how in the chapter before they set out, Levi was so stressed and falling apart, and NONE of the other characters so much as noticed or asked if he was okay.

Yeah, I like Erwin as a character, but as a person, I think he's not the best. Which makes him a good character, but I'm not sure if he's really suited to Levi. For all that Levi's violent and got a dark past, he cares a lot about people. I wonder if somebody like Erwin would really be able to satisfy him emotionally.

I'm mostly on tumblr, and the fandoms there have a weird playing house mentallity, like if there are groups of people (bonus point for underdog) then they must be close like family, even openly crying and comforting each other even though it's really ooc! In the canon the ones I can see as personally close are Levi's squad and the 104th, and I think their age has a lot to do with that.

I think because at that moment everyone have their own business to worry about, and Levi is pretty good at hiding how he really feels. His squad is dead and the kids are too young and doesn't know him enough.

Levi is very sentimental person behind the resting bitch face. I think the only things that can satisfy him now is winning the fight and successfully protect Eren and co. On the shipping side, I seriously can't see it happening any time soon. He's lost so much, it will be a long time before he can open up for normal relationships, let along romantic.

Turns out I have a lot to talk about Levi, and he's not even my favourite character. I will admit he is well developed, though I wish other characters were given the same treatment.

People definitely love their "found families" dynamic, it's true. I mean I get the attraction, I love it myself. It's okay to write fanfics with stuff like that, but sometimes people really overemphasize it, and also insist that it's totally canon...

Oh, it makes sense that Levi ended up alone there- but to me it just emphasizes how alone he really is now, without his squad. I'm so sad for him :<

Agreed! Levi is so hurt and damaged. I just want somebody to take care of him, not even romantically, you know? I don't think he really has anybody that he can confide in, anymore.

Haha, he is my favorite (can you tell?). I was so pleasantly surprised when he turned into such a major character... but I'm glad you can appreciate him, even if he's not your fave :)
Who would you like to get more development, out of curiosity?

Levi doesn't open to people much, after everything that happend to him. I hope he learns to depend more on the Eren, Mikasa and others especially Mikasa. They are both Ackermans and similar in lots of way, I think they can form a really strong bond of mentor and mentee, or even familial.

I don't think this manga needs romance, except Historia and Ymir because their relationship is integrated to their chatacter developements and the plot (and because I'm a biased shipper).

Levi is a good character, but like othres in fandom I think there are other characters that can benefit from his screentime. Like Mikasa, I appreciate the subtle development but I wish we get more scenes of her outside of protecting Eren. I also want to see more of Hanji and Moblit, in fact I don't think we ever get Hanji's backstory on why she hated titan so much? Curious about that myself. I really love Sasha and Connie, they are the usual joke characters that had got great developements. I want to see more of them, like Sasha growing to her huntress instinct and Connie's destroyed hometown. And then there's Annie in the crystal. I really need to read Lost girls.

Basically I love almost all of the cast, they are very well fleshed out and is the reason I love the manga so much. I'm so bumped for Reiner, Bertoldt and Ymir appearing again.

SA
I'm happy that I can have this discussion with you. I find it hard to start conversations on tumblr and I'm nervous in named spaces, so being able to talk about something I love in an anonymous space is great.

You are Ketita on AO3, right? I read your fics and really love it. I love your sense of humor, Levi's and Let's do that again are favourite crack fics.

:))
I'm happy to have this discussion, too! It's so difficult to talk on tumblr. And hey, if you're comfortable being anonymous, that's fine - that's what anon on f!s is for.

Yep, that's me! I'm glad you like my fics :D ugh I want so badly to get back to writing...

Ahhh I agree with you so much, I kept on hoping that there would be something with Levi and Mikasa, or talking about how Mikasa feels about being related to Levi. I think Mikasa really is one of the most squandered characters at the moment. She has a lot of potential, but Isayama just isn't doing anything with her.

Though personally I'm not crazy about Historia and Ymir. I don't find them very compelling, and they're a bit too selfish for me. That, and the whole plan of putting Historia on the throne was so stupid.

Dear Magic Knight Rayearth fandom of 10-12 years ago:

Despite what the first chapter states and the fact that she wears glasses, Fuu is not actually smart. She's a cautious, polite ditz who only states the obvious. She's a fun character and I get that you like her, I do too. But stop saying "she's my favorite cuz smart is awesome!" She is not smart.

Butch Hartman's vision of Sam Manson and canon Sam Manson.

Butch Hartman seems to see her as a super unique, smart crusader for justice. Whereas the canon shows that she can be pushy , hypocritical, and self centered at times.

I liked the Sam I saw in the first season, but third season Sam could be insufferable at times, ~~even~~ especially when she was supposed to be seen as right.

Edited 2015-10-27 02:20 (UTC)

I disagree already with the premise of the meta and it sounds like the person doesn't get character nuance and characters being more than one thing.

I've simplified the meta considerably. They did a great job supporting their arguments with multiple examples from the movies. I just cherry-picked some easily condensed stuff to give a sense of what the meta was about. If there's any deficiency, it's on my end but their meta wasn't the point of this thread so I didn't give it its justice.

(Although I agree with it and they do have an excellent sense of character nuance.)

I think I've seen this meta and I still disagree. Oh well, we have different opinions.

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