[ SECRET POST #3222 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3222 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[From Dusk Till Dawn: The Series]


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[Bones/Sleepy Hollow]


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Comments

[fscom]

13. http://i.imgur.com/OIk0HUn.png
[Death Parade]

[(Anonymous)]

Why would you feel cheated that this show took time to tell its story?

I like how when it started it was unclear if the show viewed the methods of the afterlife judging as right or wrong. It forced you to think about it yourself. And by the time the show made it clear that the method was wrong you had spent enough time with the characters of the show that you acutally cared about the outcome of their fate.

Not sure why you would view Dangan Ronpa as the better example. That show had been entertaining but its story was hardly subtle and felt much more forced than Death Parade.

And I'm also not sure why every anime with an emotional storyline gets compared to Madoka. The emotional scenes in Death Parade are necessary for the story. They're shown to make it clear that the judging method is completely fucked up and unfair. They were never meant to end in a way that wraps up everything nicely and leaves you with a content feeling of bitter-sweetness. They're supposed to leave you upset.

[(Anonymous)]

>And I'm also not sure why every anime with an emotional storyline gets compared to Madoka.
Because some people have watched less than 10 shows so everything reminds them of the few shows they have seen.

[(Anonymous)]

And because they forget that anime didn't start in 2010 but is waaaay older.

I remember the fandom days where Sailor Moon was the typical starter anime. Then after some time it was Naruto. Nowadays many people didn't even start with Naruto. Which is ok, but please don't forget that anime is a medium with a long history full of older influental shows.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I didn't think there needed to be an examination of whether it was right or wrong. It was so blatantly evil from such an early point that showing all that suffering just felt like rubbing it in. My first instinct was to compare it to how much I hated watching Hard Candy, but Friendship is Optimal might be a better comparison--the villain does this horrible thing, and the villain does that horrible thing, and if their victims are completely powerless to stop them, what's the point of showing it over and over?

(Yes, I'm calling Decim the villain. I know the show's supposed to be about his moral growth, but why should I care about him specifically? What makes him more worthy of attention or interest than the people who suffer because of him?)

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

"the villain does this horrible thing, and the villain does that horrible thing, and if their victims are completely powerless to stop them, what's the point of showing it over and over?"

You probably didn't realize it, but what you just described is what a victim of abuse actually feels. Getting mistreatet for no reason over an over again, being unable to stop it. The point of showing it? Well, some people have to live through this, with a movie you can at least stop watching. A real victim can't just push a button to make it stop.

The reason I'm saying this; I guess that's the point media are showing the thing you just described. Some forms of violence are just completely pointless but that doesn't make them stop.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I could see what you were saying if it was a story about the victims. I like A Cruel God Reigns as much as the next person. But Death Parade is basically the story of Decim, with his "guests" as tools to establish his nature and moral boundaries (albeit unusually well-developed and sympathetic tools.) It's like "Too bad, so sad, off to Hell, bring in the next person to be judged!"

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

>You probably didn't realize it, but what you just described is what a victim of abuse actually feels.

That whole paragraph is weird. As if you're trying to say "aha! but it depicts abuse and therefore it's representation and justified" never mind the question why you need to like that.
The show was pretty ok, but you could just as easily reason that the depiction of victims of abuse gets used as tool for abusers we're supposed to relate to because they're complex. The abusers get a richer inner life, while the survivor gets shafted.

In my opinion the show is a weird chimera case where the victim's psychology gets fleshed out, but we're also meant to sympathize with the abusers. Usually we'd expect some comeuppance, but they never get one.

[(Anonymous)]

It's okay for different things to have the same message. But that message wasn't even the main point of Dangan Ronpa (as evidenced by -- like you said -- getting established and out of the way relatively early) and both stories had more than just the one message. I think they're also both very heavy on being as much about the presentation as the message it leads up to.

And, actually curious because I haven't looked at the fandom since the show ended... how is it sexist?

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[(Anonymous)]

What I've seen of the fandom is really, really inclined to think that female characters deserve to go to hell, often for reasons that sound like something off a redpiller site. (To be fair, this is the first time I've looked at the Facebook section of a fandom. Maybe they're all like this.)

[(Anonymous)]

(not-op)

IIRC there was a lot of hate against Chiyuki, Mayu and Nona, and most of the reasons to bash them sounded more like excuses to hate them.

Meanwhile, Decim and Ginti were revered just because.

The hate against Chiyuki in particular was also expressed in a really sexist way and fwiw was the reason I left the fandom.

[iggy]

During the time the show was airing everyone seemed to like Chiyuki and HATED Ginti. Did this change?

(OP of the subthread here)

[(Anonymous)]

That's what I remember from the fandom too. I remember Nona and Mayu being popular too and almost everyone taking Mayu's side over Ginti's after... THAT episode.

Re: (OP of the subthread here)

[iggy]

Yeah! Pretty much the entire fandom from what I saw was reaming Ginti a new one after THAT scene. Mayu got some hate at first, but by the end of the series everyone seemed to like her?

[(Anonymous)]

(ayrt)

Around episode... 8 or 9? when the story of the cop started, people started to complain about Chiyuki and it got worse when her back story started, because it made the show "boring" according to far too many people.

I also remember many people cheering after THAT episode because they couldn't stand Mayu, and loving Ginti for "finally getting rid" of her.

Maybe we're just in different corners tho.

[iggy]

I was mostly on tumblr?

[(Anonymous)]

(ayrt)

And I wasn't (and still am not) on tumblr.

[iggy]

That makes sense then. Different crowds react in different ways.