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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-10-31 03:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #3223 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3223 ⌋

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[personal profile] liz_marcs 2015-10-31 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
For me, I just don't like any vampire-human relationship. For some reason, I can't get around the idea that at the end of the day, a vampire is an animated corpse. Necrophilia...kind of a minor squick.

As much as I disliked Buffy/Angel (or Buffy/Spike for that matter), I think saying that Edward/Bella is exactly like Buffy/Angel is a serious misreading of both relationship dynamics. There are some surface similarities, sure, but they are nothing alike.

Like someone pointed out above, Buffy is a far more proactive character who is able to defend herself. In addition, she is NOT all about Angel, since she has a shit-ton of other priorities in her life. Like, say, saving lives on a nightly basis. Or getting out of high school alive. Or...

Well, you get the picture.

Also, Buffy's breakdown after sending Angel to hell is a lot more understandable that Bella's page after page of blank pages. And once she was done with her walk-about, she was back to fight another day, despite the fact that as far as she knew Angel was never coming back.

Plus, after Angel left, Buffy soldiered on with her life.

Bella? Basically a cow to slaughter. Her entire life centered around Edward, even when Edward wasn't around. She has no personality of her own that isn't in response to Edward. And when it all comes down to it, the entire goal of her character was to be with Edward forever.

Buffy wanted to survive Sunnydale and have a reasonably sane life, for herself AND her friends.

Kind of a huge difference.

And that's not even getting into the differences between Edward and Angel.

Edward never did anything that wouldn't benefit Bella, himself, or his family.

Angel at least grew to be a character who TRIED to do the right thing even when it had no benefit for himself.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-31 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
This. There are a lot of valid reasons for being uncomfortable with Buffy/Angel but saying that they are the "same damn thing" as Edward/Bella seems like a pretty clear indication that something either hasn't read/watched one of the works or is just plain trollin'. Aside from the fact that both relationships involve a human and vampire with a large age difference, there's not a whole lot of similarities between them. The characters involved are completely different and therefore have completely different dynamics
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[personal profile] ozaline 2015-10-31 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Now You're making me think of the Vampire Genevieve where the title character's lover is threatened with necrophilia laws, but that's beside the main point...

I think you're analysis is pretty spot on.
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[personal profile] a_potato 2015-10-31 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a very good breakdown of the differences between the two relationships. The amount of agency that the characters have apart from each other really is the crux of it.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-31 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Love your analysis.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-31 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Spot on. Buffy is neither a dishrag nor a damsel in distress. Is the relationship problematic? Of course it is. But that was acknowledged by both text and subtext in the show, and they certainly didn't get a Happily Ever After while she was still in fucking high school.