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Justin Trudeau should not have been elected, and fuck all the defeatist dipshits who voted Liberal because "lol I want NDP to win but they don't have a chance so I'm voting liberal becauze legalize pot durrhurr". Do you ever wonder why the NDP doesn't has a chance? BECAUSE OF ATTITUDES LIKE YOURS.

Honestly, all that "ANYONE BUT HARPER!!!1!!1" bullshit that was being trumpeted in the months leading up to the election? It's just that. Bullshit. Harper's a sleazy scumbag and did a terrible job as prime minister, but he's not a moron who's likely to start WWIII by sticking his foot in his mouth one too many times. If our reputation overseas doesn't plummet dramatically over the next few years I am going to be fucking astonished. I wouldn't trust Trudeau to look after my goldfish, let alone run a country. There's nothing he's promised to do that Mulcair wouldn't have done better.

And as for the whole "decriminalizing pot" thing? MULCAIR WOULD HAVE DONE THAT TOO IF YOU'D JUST GIVEN HIM A FUCKING CHANCE.

/bitter NDP supporter

mulcair fucked himself partially up by coming to the table and admitting he'd work with the harper faction, which is straight out what nobody wanted even if that's the political reality that comes with moderate leadership.

this is on harper for being a total waste.

After watching Harper from America I figured I had some sense of how Canadians watching Bush felt. Harper was poison and needed to go.

I do feel your pain on wishing smaller parties had a chance, though. But who's going to vote for Socialists in this country?

AYRT

NDP isn't a small party. They're one of the three major parties. They're just never in power federally.

You are correct about Harper's reign of awful being our equivalent of the Bush administration, however.

I'd argue that NDP never being in power makes them de facto a smaller party. Though I may be projecting my distaste for the US system onto things.

"Though I may be projecting my distaste for the US system onto things."

Yeah, that sounds about right. IDK how much you know about how our government works, but I'm going to assume it's not much, since I doubt most people outside of Canada give more than the most minuscule fuck about our politics. Like, I'd actually be shocked to meet a non-Canadian who gives a larger-than-microscopic amount of fuck.

To summarize: The amount of influence a party has federally (usually) depends on how many seats in parliament that party has. As of now, NDP has a low number of seats, MUCH lower than I was expecting, and everyone else I've talked to about this agrees that this is Bad with a Capital B, regardless of how they voted or their views of the party leaders as individuals.

I'd argue that NDP never being in power makes them de facto a smaller party.

I think they are a bit smaller, but more in the way of being the youngest of three adults, as opposed to a child among adults. I think when most people say "smaller party" they tend to mean the latter - i.e. a party that was never seriously in the running (like our Green party). That's very much not the case with the NDP, who have been flirting HARD with the possibility of a win for quite a while now. It took a while, but they had really built themselves up with Jack Layton at the helm, into a solid third party with a very real potential to win. But then he died, and they lost a LOT of the solidity and strength they'd built up under him.

They had managed to build it back recently, and only about a month before the election they were actually projected to take the lead and win by a narrow margin. Unfortunately, I don't think campaigning has ever been the NDP's strong suit. They shot themselves in the foot by saying outright that they'd work with Harper, and public favor swung hard over to the Liberals.

The NDP is not a small party, but they've almost always been last of the big three. The last while has been a bit of a blip, with the NDP benefiting from those who wouldn't vote Conservative, but also hadn't forgiven the Liberals for their past scandals. Quebec voting NDP was an anomaly, and they've gone back to their usual voting.

Not saying the NDP can't make strides from this and turn it around in future, but it's not surprising that it shook out the way it did.

Really, doing the "anyone but Harper" strategy was bound to bite one of them in the end - and the Liberals have the advantage of having been in government before.

I'm sorry. I'm NDP all the way, but I don't think Mulcair was the right person to turn around our international reputation after the damage Harper did.

Trudeau is doing wonders for that, currently. Or haven't you been reading the news?

It's the Obama effect. Right now everyone's so relieved to be rid of Harper, they're hailing Trudeau as THE SAVIOUR OF CANADA. Once the initial post-Harper euphoria wears off, people are going to start getting disillusioned with him. Just like the Americans did with Obama.

Sure, but saying he's going to cause WW3 is some delusional shit.

Because no one EVER uses hyperbole when venting.

I'm just sayin', your hyperbole is a little... extra hyperbolic.

And I'm just really fucking bitter about Trudeau winning, okay?

Well, I voted NDP if it makes you feel better. :/

Aw, I sympathise, anon. I'm not Canadian, but I probably would have voted NDP this time out, largely because they were already the Opposition, and the Grits have had problems for years.

But at least Steve Harper is out. I was reading about the damage he did to public science and statistics, and it made me sad and angry. I hope that in future Canada does better, whichever party is in charge.

Harper probably wouldn't have started WW3, you're right. But he absolutely would have continued muzzling scientists, chipping away at our fundamental rights and freedoms, giving the middle finger to the wide majority of Canadians who want electoral reform, and growing our class divide into the Grand Canyon. Harper had to go. Anyone else is better than the Conservatives as they existed during the last election (and will continue to exist until they actually clean house).

Mulcair might have been able to pull things around too, but he arrived late to the party wrt getting his message out there, and he was willing to work with Harper which lost him a whole hell of a lot of votes.

Splitting the left is a huge part of what allowed Harper to stay in power as long as he has. If the left had been split again, he might have gotten another four years to run the country into the ground. A lot of people knew that and voted accordingly, and much as you may not like it, Justin was the strategic choice.

+10000

I'm Canadian and I favor the NDP, but this year I actually wanted to vote Liberal*. Why? Well, yes, in part because Harper had to go and the Liberals came through the campaigning period a lot stronger than the NDP did. But that wasn't the main reason. The main reason I wanted to vote Liberal this time around is because, as a leader, Trudeau was the only candidate who I could see maybe "shaking up" Canadian politics a little - doing things slightly differently, bringing an ever so slightly new approach to the table. And I don't mean setting different political goals than Harper, because that's pretty much a given. I mean it seems possible that he may have a slightly different attitude/approach to politics itself. And on the mere possibility that may be the case, I wanted to see what the results of that different approach would be, if he was given the chance to put it to work in our country.

Yes, I prefer the NDP's platform over the Liberal's. But my preference is not that pronounced. Presuming both parties were really going to do everything they say their going to do, then yes, I would certainly prefer the NDP to be in charge. But politics is such a messy, muddled, grinding machine that when all is said and done, we're left with three tattered, smudged out approximations of the platforms - two over to the left, and one over to the right. Those tattered, smudged out approximations are the real promises which I base my convictions (or lack of convictions) on.

In that context, I think the possibility of taking a slightly new and different approach to doing politics is more valuable than whatever the ground down, smudged and tattered difference between the Liberal and NDP platforms would amount to when all is said and done.

*It's worth noting I voted NDP anyway, because the NDP were a sure thing in my riding.

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