[ SECRET POST #3231 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3231 ⌋

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Comments

[ninety6tears]

Nah. Critics are harder on those types of movies if anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Why is Star Trek sitting at 90%+ then?

[philstar22]

Because Trek fanboys aren't quite as mainstream as Star Wars fanboys. The movie critics generally aren't Trek fanboys whereas they very often are huge OT fans.

[ninety6tears]

I have a lot of issues with that movie now, but it was genuinely fun as fuck and actually hit the Star Trek mark closer than I expected it to. Also, Star Trek is not the mainstream cultural behemoth that Star Wars is; most critics had an average knowledge probably gleaned from the movies which as much as you can't get Trek fans to admit it have almost always had more fast-paced and less philosophical plots than the series. Critics in general don't take action blockbusters that seriously as anything other than the weak compliment of "Take your kids and they'll be happy" and I find the idea that they would go easy on an Avengers movie "just for being an Avengers movie" a little out of touch with the difference between fan reaction and critical reception.

[(Anonymous)]

>the difference between fan reaction and critical reception

Except Phantom Menace is 57% and 60% respectively, which is very very close.

And, you can't at once argue that fan reactions to Phantom not being OT colored the critic reviews, while at the same time saying fan reactions to Trek or Avengers wouldn't color the reviews. It's either both or neither.

As someone who isn't a fan of the Star Wars OT - they were decent movies but I'm not a fan - who didn't like the prequels, this thread is making me think the prequel defenders are way too defensive about how bad the overall movie was for the majority of people who are not Star Wars fans nor OT fanatics. Because we exist too, and a lot of us didn't care for the movies standing alone.

[(Anonymous)]

"this thread is making me think the prequel defenders are way too defensive about how bad the overall movie was for the majority of people who are not Star Wars fans nor OT fanatics"

I don't think any prequel defenders would deny that lots of people had sizable issues with the PT. We're beaten over the head with reminders every day.

I think it's more that a lot in the media try to act as though everyone hated them. Which isn't true. There were lots of people disappointed. There were lots of people who hated them. But there were also lots of people who enjoyed them as popcorn flicks and they have fans as well, including some dedicated ones like myself.

[ninety6tears]

I didn't say fan reactions affected the PM reviews? I was just disagreeing with the whole idea that critics were easy on it? And anyway this so-called double standard applies to two very different ways of coloring the reviews though. Failing to live up to a legacy is a constricting but much more fair assessment than giving something a pass for being any attempt at continuing it. Unless you just are reiteratingt that all of these fandoms are apples and apples, which they're not. I'm saying that on the whole I think it's neither, but since you seemingly ignored the "if anything" completely, I just find it hard to believe many critics are gonna fawn over a Star Wars movie just for being a Star Wars movie especially since sequel and reboot exhaustion has been around for a long while now. But gosh, since I don't have some random anecdotal statistic from RT to back me up I must be way off.

[(Anonymous)]

Because Lucas said that the prequels were more of the Star Wars you loved, whilst Abrams practically spat on Trek's previous iterations. It was a smart move by Abrams to exploit all the snide little bastards who have no real interest in the franchise but who get their jollies pissing all over the people that do. That is why every reboot ever goes out of its way to promote something along the lines of "not your X's whatever" so that anyone that wasn't into the previous iteration can come along and make themselves feel better by denigrating whoever the Xof whatever was. Lucas enraged many of the pre-existing fans, and failed to give any potential new ones permission to be unmitigated assholes to the pre-existing. Abrams managed that, so despite Trek being a piss poor movie that fails on every level both technical and narrative, he engaged the haters who hate in getting good reviews just so they can hate more effectively.