[ SECRET POST #3231 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3231 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

People exaggerate a lot about FFR. There were some bad trainwrecks but they weren't nearly as common as people say. Most posts were the same complaints about fanfic again and again with some fandom discussion thrown in when a few people got on the subject of a fandom they shared. I was there during my fundie days when I was in denial and claimed homosexuality was a sin and somehow I never got dogpiled.

Of course some people consider me a SJW. Largely because I will defend people who are bothered by "lame". I don't need everyone to think it's a terrible slur, I just really hate when people claim that no one who is actually disabled cares about it when that's just not true. It's complaining about people trying to speak for people with disabilities while doing exactly that yourself. You can think the people who don't like the word are wrong but don't act like they're not there for the sake of simplifying things.

[(Anonymous)]

You're one of those people who can't grasp that the meanings of words evolve and multiply, aren't you.

Fun fact: they do.

[sarillia]

They absolutely do. You're right. But I don't think the meaning has evolved entirely when people still understand the meaning that it supposedly doesn't have anymore. It's not something I get on people about but I don't get why people act like the word hasn't been used that way since the Normans invaded or something.

If you're actually interested in discussing the evolution of language and semantics and things like that I'd love to because it's very interesting. If you just want to tell me I'm wrong to think someone is a bad person for using the word "lame" as a pejorative, you can rest assured that I don't think that.

[(Anonymous)]

Using the word lame as an example. For me, coming from a So Cal mid sixties childhood background, lame meant either a horse who was injured or a bad day surfing. Later education, reading Victorian era and other assorted novels brought up the other, other meaning of someone crippled.

The FFR notion that it only applied to differently abled people was both odd and ludicrous. At this point, that's very much a secondary definition.

[sarillia]

I don't remember anyone ever claiming that it only applied to disabled people. That would be really weird. And I'll agree that that's a secondary definition. It's the people who act like it doesn't carry that meaning at all anymore that I disagree with. Those books that you mentioned don't come with an explanation for what the word used to mean because everyone is still expected to understand it. I'm just very much a descriptivist. If a word is generally understood when it's used a certain way then that's a valid definition of the word. Plus as someone who never picked up the habit of using the word as slang and has always loved old things, the "crippled" definition really is the one I think of first when I read it or hear it. There's an episode of MST3K where Dr. Forrester says a movie includes "a giant lame lobster" and I seriously thought the lobster thing was crippled at first. It could be I'm the only one but I generally try to avoid looking at myself as a special snowflake. But this whole thing is more about me nitpicking over what it means for a word to have a particular meaning than about policing language on the basis of it being offensive. Though I will still defend people with mobility problems who don't like it.

Would it push me further into SJW territory if I mention that I have issues with the term differently abled and vastly prefer disabled?

[(Anonymous)]

Not really. It's actually the term that I prefer as well. It's accurate. However if you jump onto the temporarily abled bodied for people who aren't disabled, then we'll have to part company.

[sarillia]

I've never been a fan of that either.

[diet_poison]

There's something particularly silly about trying to snidely insult Sarillia's intelligence of all peoples'. Silly anon.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm disabled, and honestly "lame" is the least offensive thing I've ever heard. I have never heard it applied to someone actually in a wheelchair, only to horses.

So unless you're a brony, it's utterly inoffensive. Stupid as well isn't nearly as bad as the SJWs are trying to make it out to be. They seriously have to reach to find anything wrong with it.

There are some words with dark pasts that could be scrubbed, but those two are inoffensive.