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Anything after SGA ends. I tried keeping up with the books for a while but I hated the pairings and general direction the story was going so I just pretend they don't exist.

Also, my warden can have their happily ever after with Alistair without Hawke dying. I don't feel keeping Ali as a warden was a bad or wrong decision.

I find the idea that keeping Alistair as a Warden was the wrong decision/is punished by the game absolutely baffling.

Like, the game punishes people who took that route by giving us more content, that we'll see regardless of which route we take through DAI? O...kay. That's an interesting definition of "punish".

(Yes, it's possibly really sad content, but this is the Dragon Age franchise, making us sob is how the devs say "we love you".)

Well I never used the word "punish", but I get what you're saying. I feel this way as much about the fandom as I do about the canon though; a lot of people don't understand why you would want to keep Alistair as a warden when you can make him a King.

And I admit, I might be bitter that they both can't survive if Ali is made a warden. I know that the content is there anyway but the way it happened felt cheap to me. (In the same way that, god though I love them, the choices in TWDG start to feel cheap when the majority of those choices are 'save this person or that person, but they're going to die an act later no matter what'.) Ali's appearance doesn't feel vastly different than Stroud's either, which I know is a thing with BioWare games, but...I would've liked a bit more unique content, even if things had to end the same way.

I DID like the note if you romanced him in Origins, but I don't know... it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Maybe this is an irrational way to feel, but that's how I feel regardless.

No, I know you didn't, it's just a pretty common sentiment in fandom - that the devs consider Warden!Alistair the wrong choice and are punishing the players who took it.

Most people I come across made Ali a King, either because they romanced him as a human (And could marry him and be Queen) or because they were bros with him and romanced someone else instead.

I mean... Technically, no, I get that having him possibly die because of your choices doesn't mean you made the wrong choice, but I understand why you would feel that way. Most of BioWare's fanbase likes their happy endings and go out of their way to get a “perfect" ending, so if a decision interferes with that, a decision you felt was a perfectly good and reasonable one, it feels bad.

Doesn't mean the developers think you were wrong, but it might feel that way because you had certain expectations and those expectations were sunk. It isn't entirely rational, but that's fandom.

I at least wish that scene wasn't a simple swap, though.

I find the way a lot of fans seem to either only accept him as king with a Cousland wife, or as a Warden for anyone else is a bit elitist. What is wrong with a non-Cousland female Warden being his mistress? Are people over-sensitive about that?

But then I was so tied to my pet-favourite race/class combo that I was not going to re-role a new character just to make her Ali's wife. I decided mistress worked fine for me and went after making that happen (and that was before I decided Elenaria was not just an expy of my Silmaril, thus destining the relationship to end anyway).

(FYI, I only romanced Ali with dwarves. I played other races, but none with him.)

I don't know about anyone else but I have chosen the mistress route (in the keep, never in-game), though only after seeing Ali or Hawke had to stay in The Fade if you left him a warden. I never left Ali a king at ALL before Inquisition though; I just don't care for him in the role. (Both because he didn't seem to want it, I thought being a warden was cooler anyway, I wanted us to 'stick together', and because I think Anora would be a better ruler. Even when he was simply my bro I left him as a warden.)

I'm not a fan of infidelity but I know you could convince Anora and Ali to marry for politics, so in the case that Anora knows and is fine with their relationship I don't see a problem. Still, I'm not fond of my warden and Ali having to sneak around to be together.

I don't think there's anything wrong with other people choosing it (personal preference and all that, everyone has one), but I prefer a route that allows them to stay side by side. (Even if, because this is BioWare, they are frequently separated.)

Yeah, I think my own view on it is at least partially attributable to my method of play - I effing love using walkthroughs for games and when I played DA:O I was always referring to the quest pages on the wiki for the best way to get through them. It was not just the individual quests either - I looked ahead into plot issues and saw the long-term things and decided quite a way ahead which I liked best plotwise, and setting up Alistair with Anora has the best result, epilogue-wise.

I don't know if I would have went the route of keeping the relationship if I was viewing Elenaria as being my RP character for real. I suppose I don't view the mistress idea all that badly due to a prosaic view of royalty and mistresses.

I effing love using walkthroughs for games and when I played DA:O I was always referring to the quest pages on the wiki for the best way to get through them.

Your 'first time through', or on subsequent playthroughs? My first time through I don't want to be spoiled for anything, so I wouldn't be looking at walkthroughs. After that though, sure!

But then again not everyone is as against spoilers as I am.

I suppose I don't view the mistress idea all that badly due to a prosaic view of royalty and mistresses.

I don't see it as a 'bad' option, it just isn't one I would choose for the majority of my characters. I can see why someone would pick it!

That was definitely my first time through. I am pretty spoiler-proof, and don't mind knowing in advance the basic plot of something. It can mitigate the effects of a shock in a plot, knowing it's coming.

The only time I tried to avoid spoilers was when the book of HBP came out, but I trouble getting into reading it and the online spoiler period wore out and I gave up. I stopped worrying about being spoiled after that.

My tendency to walkthroughs dates back to Baldur's Gate, where having a guide book actually got me to sit and play BG2, partly because it informed me of the romances.

Haha, I feel like I'm the only DA fan who felt Alistair's death in DA:I was really fitting.

I feel like it's kind of the ultimate end to Alistair's character arc. He starts out a fucked up kid, becomes a good-hearted but indecisive and fairly incompetent warden who spends much of DA:O second-guessing The HoF but not actually DOING anything about it. He gets a lucky break and doesn't have to sacrifice himself or do anything beyond be The Warden's comedic sidekick.

I feel like at some point after the blight he must have realized it was time to grow the fuck up, because he opposes Clarel and tries to stop the plan. He makes it clear he'll stop them even if Hawke and the Quizzy don't help. Origins!Alistair would have bitched and moaned a bit but he wouldn't have actually acted against the wardens.

So Alistair finally comes into his own, and his final act is being a Warden. Saving others at the cost of his own life. Not just being a nice but ineffective king. Not being cute and funny while Anora and/or Cousland and/or the HoF do all the work. He finally becomes what he's idealized all these years.

Not just being a nice but ineffective king.

Well, that's partially why I never made him King...I didn't think he would be good at it. (Sorry, Ali.)

IA with most of what you say in that I like him opposing Clarel, and I definitely think he's at his 'strongest' when he does that. That's how I wanted Ali to turn out.

My issue is that it doesn't feel too unique for him to do that because if you don't have Ali it's Stroud or Loghain, so his actions feels a bit copy-paste.

I mean, look...I don't want Alistair to die. That's just how I am; I love him, in most my playthroughs I would do anything to prevent it.

But in general I don't have anything against characters I love dying if the scene is well written, if it makes sense, etc. I don't hate that Thane died (even though I romanced him and adored him) or that Mordin died; those deaths worked.

If Ali had to 'potentially' die in DAI, I would've rather his 'death' been entirely unique, not the same as Hawke's or Stroud's or Loghain's.

That's kind of nit-picky I guess, but hey.

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