[ SECRET POST #3233 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3233 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Free speach

[ill_omened]

This isn't actually the traditional understanding of free speech, it's a meme explanation like racism is power & privilege, or censorship can only be done by the government.

Re: Free speach

[ibbity]

What this is, is a reasonably factual (if truncated) explanation of how free speech legally works in the US, minus the parts about how you can be arrested if you are using your free speech to put other people in danger (such as trying to incite others to attack them.)

Re: Free speach

[ill_omened]

It's always traditionally been viewed as freedom from undue censure for the views expressed within 'reasonable' boundries. That someone can be fired for expressing their opinions for example, has always stood on some dodgy grounds. And the idea of 'free speech only means the government can't imprison you for what you say' minimises the overall idea, and takes us down a dangerous path.

Re: Free speach

[sarillia]

What gets me about that argument is that it seems to imply that rights are granted by the government rather than there being rights that all people should ethically have that the government simply pledges to uphold for their citizens. It suggests that rights are a subjective thing that change when you move from country to country. Which is true of legal rights but what happened to the idea of natural rights?

Re: Free speach

[ibbity]

The point is that people who scream about how free speech means that they shouldn't face any opposition for the things they say are being idiots.

Re: Free speach

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Sure, I think we should be talking about things like EA Games pressuring publishers not to run critical reviews, or tobacco industry pressure on TV Networks in the 70s and 80s.

However, often "free speech" is trotted out in fandom for examples like:

1. A big-name publisher didn't buy my last book. "Free speech!"
2. You can't ban me from commenting, "free speech!"
3. Boycotting my works is censorship, "free speech!"

#1 and #2 are actually covered by first amendment protections as editorial privilege. (See the Zimmerman Trial for prior art leading to that principle.) #3 falls under the penumbra of the First Amendment via NAACP v. Alabama, and was a form of protest used by the founding fathers (such as they were.)

Re: Free speach

[(Anonymous)]

The fuck are you even saying here?

Re: Free speach

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck off back to a voice for men.

Re: Free speach

[(Anonymous)]

*tips fedora*

Freedom of speech as written in the US Constitution

[(Anonymous)]

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Yes, many people misunderstand it, but that's the actual freedom they are talking about, in the US anyway.

Re: Free speach

[(Anonymous)]

I agree and disagree;

The traditional understanding of free speech is not being censored by the government, that is true.

That censorship can ONLY be done by the government, that is false.

That racism is power and privilege, is true. That ONLY the people with power and privilege can be prejudiced or bigoted, is false.

Re: Free speach

[(Anonymous)]

So says the racist dickwad who thinks police can do no wrong.

Re: Free speach

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, IO, please stop giving me reasons to hate you.