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I've never seen this big a gap between people who love a game and people who act like it killed their parents. The New Vegas backlash was bad, but it wasn't this bad. What the hell did Bethesda do?

I've wondered the same thing. I don't game but have friends freaking out about it.

I must be very very tired because I somehow read act like it killed their dead parents and thought hell yeah there's no kill like overkill!
/going to sleep now

Lmao good night, and may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!

I probably won't be playing it for a long, long time so I only know what I've heard, but it sounds like some people have issues with the game-play; they feel everything is too streamlined. (Like, I hear you can tell what items are in an object by just looking at it. Apparently that's evil; doesn't sound so bad to me, but what do I know. I've heard that crafting is not as in-depth as people expected, but I don't know if I should believe that or not. I also know some people don't like the story much and are upset that you can't be gay or lesbian; they feel more constrained. I've also seen complaints about the dialogue system - it doesn't tell you exactly what you're saying when you choose. That's a complaint I've seen again and again in BioWare fandom, and I don't blame people for wanting that, though I don't HATE the current system either.)

I think it adds up to the game not being what they expected so they're disgusted with it. Some people are impossible to please.

But then again, I've seen a lot of people perfectly happy; the fanbase is large and there's lots of mixed opinion.

Aside from bugs and save file corruption, the one complaint I've seen that worries me is that quests other than "kill the specified targets" have mostly been phased out. A lot of people who ran with a diplomancer build for New Vegas are miffed they can't do the same here.

Some of the bugs seem rather severe but this IS Bethesda, so... it's probably better to give the game some time to be patched.

Save file corruption is pretty serious too, but hopefully that will be fixed soon. (When it comes to this sort of thing I feel that sometimes games release too early, but that's the way of things.)

is that quests other than "kill the specified targets" have mostly been phased out

Huh? That sounds...impossible and unlikely. Is that actually the case? One of my favorite things about Fallout is having several different ways to complete a quest; if you have to kill everyone that's going to be massively unsatisfying.

Edited 2015-11-13 02:29 (UTC)

I've seen various formulations of "they got rid of speech checks," but most of them were a bit unclear as to what exactly they meant. The clearest was a review on Metacritic:

"This isn’t an RPG anymore, it’s a straight up shooter now. Except for the settlement building stuff, every single quest so far involved going somewhere and murdering everything. There are no alternative paths, there is no use of skills or speech to do thing differently. You go to the location, you kill everything that moves, grab the thing you need (if even) and that’s it."

Since I don't have a computer that can run the game, I can't confirm or deny this.

Oh, wow...

If that's true I don't even want to play it, so here's to hoping it isn't.

Maybe there are quite a few quests where you aren't given alternate routes, but maybe there are others that they haven't got to yet?

Guess I'm going to need to keep an eye out; I want to know where this goes.

From Rock Paper Shotgun: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/11/09/fallout-4-review-pc/2/

"Fallout 4 ultimately always defaults to being a shooting game. And not a great one at that. The conclusions I’ve seen both mandated climactic mass slaughter with almost no options to talk your way out of things, and thus no way to argue that you are not a murderous arsehole no matter how good or bad a person you’d tried to be up until that point, and I’m willing to bet that most of the other endings play out similarly.

"I’d made Charisma my main discipline in order that I’d have the best chance of chatting my way to peace, but persuasion and intimidation options are largely restricted to wringing a little more information or booty out of quest-givers and, less frequently, -enders. However, as I say – I feel as though I’ve barely scratched the surface of the game’s contents even though I’ve seen all its features many times over. There are, for instance, at least two plot-critical factions whose questlines I barely began – perhaps they might have led to more civil outcomes. But given the vast majority of minor quests have the same structural reliance on routine shooty-bang, I doubt it."

You know, I admit I do kind of still want to play... I'm curious and it sounds like the companions are really good this time around, plus I'm interested in how romance fits into a Fallout game, but this makes it sound much less enjoyable than I'd been led to believe. If you can't make your own choices on how to complete a quest that takes away half of the fun from the whole experience, since Fallout has always been a highly personal experience.

So maybe the game itself isn't bad, but it's starting to sound less and less like a Fallout game. It might be a decent game, but a bad Fallout game.

It sounds like maybe Bethesda wanted to try something different, give the fanbase a more fleshed out character that fits into the story more closely, but by doing that they took a lot of the players free will away.

That would be a strange change, given that one of their big hype points was increasing the ability to go through the game non-violently.

I have no idea. I've assumed it's some sort of conflation between the PC gamer elitists who have truly convinced themselves the apex of Beth games was in Morrowind and think that anything less than Dark Souls difficulty is for the filthy casual plebes, and a handful of dudes who have grossly misunderstood, hmm, how to say, the role of ethics in video games and think their voice is needed to save us from further casual ickiness.

Also it's probably Destiny's fault somehow.

Man, I don't know, I'm loving the hell out of the game.

The one rage I saw was over non-gendered romance dialogue. I couldn't tell if it was one of those gamers who think there's a feminist/queer conspiracy to take their games or a parody.

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