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⌈ Secret Post #407 ⌋

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Yeah, what's so bad about growing up in a family that wished you didn't exist, having a mad psychopath trying to kill you since you were eleven, having lies about you spread out in the tabloid, being periodically hated by half (or the entirety) of your school, and still kept in the dark about the dangers that await you?

Having an angry fit after five years of it really is too much, I agree. He should try and exercise some self-control.

I'm not saying his life was a cakewalk, but he got a bit boring with his issues. And what about Neville? His parents being shells of people, constantly being demeaned by almost everyone he met, being bad in almost every subject, and after you finally make some friends, they go and freeze you when you get in their way.

And Harry was far from hated. Sure, Slytherin didn't like him, but 3/4 of the school wanted to be his best friend almost all the time (with a few setbacks now and then - but he always had Ron and Hermione. Neville was pretty much ignored. Poor Neville. D:)

The difference is that we never see Neville's thoughts, and we don't know what he thinks about his situation. The only reason we know what Harry thinks, is because the books are from his POV, and we read his comments about things all the time. You'll notice that he doesn't actually talk about them with anyone. I mean, he's not really a nice person all the time (which is one of the main reasons why I like him, actually), so I understand that people dislike him; I just don't think he's whiny.

His parents being shells of people, constantly being demeaned by almost everyone he met, being bad in almost every subject, and after you finally make some friends, they go and freeze you when you get in their way.

Yeah, those are all bad things, but still normal Even in potions, the one being most actively harassed is Harry. I also had the impression that Neville actually became closer with everybody after the freezing, which happened in the very first book. Harry's situation steadily becomes worse as the story moves along, while Neville's improves (except for his parents, of course, but it doesn't change).

And Harry was far from hated. Sure, Slytherin didn't like him, but 3/4 of the school wanted to be his best friend almost all the time (with a few setbacks now and then

In CoS the entire school was convinced he was the heir of Slytherin most of the year, and thought he was going to kill them. Then they thought he cheated to get into the triwizard cup and went as far as to carry badges to demonstrate their disapproval. After that, a lot of people suspected him of actually killing Cedric, and most people, not only in the school, thought he was an insane liar.

And where did you get the impression that everybody wanted to be his friend? Ravenclaw never really cared as far as I can tell (does anyone from that House ever even speak to him?), and the only friend he actually made there was the outcast. Hufflepuff were the most vehement in their suspicions at every turn, and even some of Harry's own housemates turned against him afte Cedric's death. He always have Ron and Hermione, yeah, but you'll notice that they're actually his only real friends (and yeah, it's mostly his own fault because he's not exactly the most sociable person in the world).

It would've been worse had he been nice all time - I just didn't like it when he took his anger out on Ron or Hermione when they didn't do anything.

I'm not saying he didn't have points where the school hated him, but they always ended up making up at the end of the conflict. And I suppose 'everyone wanted to be his friend' was a bad choice of words (forgive me for those, I didn't sleep last night), but it seems like people seemed to like him more or less, and by the end of the series the entire world thought he was great.

I'm not saying you shouldn't like him, but I don't. I found him too perfect and it annoyed me. At first he never complained, and then all of sudden he's shouting at Ron and Hermione when they haven't done anything, and it just seemed like too much effort to make him real a little too late. Not saying I don't love the books, because I do, but Harry's just my least favourite character, is all.

I just didn't like it when he took his anger out on Ron or Hermione when they didn't do anything.

Except for writing him all summer telling him they were "ever so busy", and implying they were actually working with the Order, and knowing what was going on. I always wondered why that was - how hard would it have been to tell him that they were as much in the dark as he was?

I'm not saying he didn't have points where the school hated him, but they always ended up making up at the end of the conflict.

Yes, because they hated or feared him for things that weren't true, and they eventually found out they'd been wrong. I just wanted to point put that he wasn't universally loved all the time, or even most of the time; at one point the entire wizarding world is turned against him, not just the school.

but it seems like people seemed to like him more or less

Well, why wouldn't they? he's rather nice to people who're nice to him, especially in the first books, before things have started to piss him off. He's a bit defensive (and I'd be too, growing up with the Dursleys), but never the first to be hostile.

and by the end of the series the entire world thought he was great.

Well... he sort of gave his life for them? Though he did get it back, haha. Defeating Voldemort would resonably make people happy with him though, I would think. It's not like they all personally like him, you'll notice - even in the end, the only ones to be close to him are Ron and Hermione.

I found him too perfect and it annoyed me.

This is funny, because I found him imperfect , and that appealed to me. XD

At first he never complained,

Sure he did. He's the most sarky bastard in the books, if you look at his interaction with the Dursleys or Snape. He confronts those he's angry with, but he doesn't go with complaints to other people (not even later - it is Ron and Hermione he's angry with), and that's probably because of his childhood. What good would ever come of complaining about things to the Dursleys? It's a learned behaviour, and one of the reasons people who claim that Harry is well-adjusted makes me seriously baffled.

Harry's just a person who doesn't like to talk about his problems, introverted and anti-social, but at the same time passionate and impulsive. He's a "show, don't tell" type, so to speak, heh.

Okay, this has gotten to be too intricate an argument for me to care anymore. Sorry. Bottom line is: I don't like Harry, and I don't care if you do. Go ahead and point out all the ways he's great, but he still annoys the fire out of me. It's gotten far too late to change that now.

Hey, feel free to dislike him; I just wanted to point out things in canon that tells us things about his character.

I haven't once pointed out how he's supposedly great (in fact, I've made a point of mentioning his weak sides several times) - just how other characters in the books have reacted to him at different times, and how he has reacted to things. Since, you know, I like to have my opinions about things supported by actual facts.

True, but I was just shortening what I had to say. My history class was beginning to fill up while I was answering my emails. XD

By all means, don't think I'm trying to say that the facts are on my side. I know we're all supposed to love Harry and think he's spectacular. I just don't. I'm used to being the type that gets bored of main characters, though...I tend to find supporting/background characters more entertaining.

I know we're all supposed to love Harry and think he's spectacular.

Argh, sorry for being so late, and unecessarily continuing the tread, but I just had to comment on this. This is where so many readers get it wrong. No, we're NOT supposed to love Harry and think he's spectacular, that's the whole point! He's supposed to be a pretty dark, imperfect character, who nevertheless manages to have his heart in the right place; why do you think Rowling placed all those parallels to Snape and Riddle in the books? Even in the part including James, it's Snape Harry is compared to.

I liked him more because of his flaws than anything else.

I had meant 'spectacular' to be really more of a sarcastic term, but everyone IS supposed to like Harry and be on his side and care most about what happens to him, but I didn't think he had enough flaws to be considered, really. I know they're there, but the fact that he'd never done anything truly wrong made him a bit unbelivable, in my opinion. I mean, sure, he had a bit of an attitude every once in a while and he'd go around Ron's and Hermione's backs to do something they told him not to, but that was about as bad as it got, and the fact that everything always worked out in the end kind of fustrated me.

Er, his only living relation of sorts died because of him? Also, how wrong would it have to be? He does manipulate and insult the Dursleys from the start, he pretty much ignores any rules that doesn't suit him, and steals from teachers. Sometimes he's caught and recieves detention (or worse), sometimes he's not.

It sort of works out in the end, but a lot of people died, including himself. Though he managed to return, heh. Getting away with rule-breaking and pranks in school... that's what school is all about, isn't it? He was hardly the only one! People take those things way too seriously (ironically, the Slytherfen -not the sane Slytherin fans, mind - are most vehement about things being unfair; it's hilarious).

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