[ SECRET POST #3237 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3237 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So lesbian porn is a expression of straight male sexuality and should therefore be exempt from criticism? what about the hot ladies in skimpy outfits in comic books, they're also an expression of what the writers find hot and women complain about those quite a bit. Feminism gives you like 50 plus points on the hypocrisy scale, it seems.

[(Anonymous)]

Anti-feminism lazy thinking. On F!S, quelle surprise.

[(Anonymous)]

Claiming that any criticism on harmful ideas comonly seen in feminist circles is "lazy thinking" instead of adressing it, on the other hand, is not lazy at all huh?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care how anyone expresses their sexuality through fiction as long as they treat real people respectfully.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, but claiming queer male interaction as something that belongs to women while excluding, you know, queer men, is treating people disrespectfully.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

As a slasher, I do not believe queer male interaction belongs to me. I am only interested in fiction about it and make no presumptions on what real people do.

[(Anonymous)]

IAWTC and am, as usual, completely baffled at the number of people who seem to be incapable of making the distinction between things one imagines about fictional characters and things one does to, or says about, real people.

I actually AM someone who believes that what we see in media (including fanfic) contributes to shaping how we view reality (unpopular as that opinion is at the moment). However, in order for me to find writing about LGBT characters objectionable, the writing would pretty much have to be actively defamatory and prejudicial, or at the very least profoundly insensitive (I'm talking "HIV is a fun plot device!" levels of insensitive). Which is something I very rarely see in fanfic.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I don't disagree with you about the influence of media, but I also think media can have a skewed version of things as well. I think it depends on how cynical and objective one can be, and how strong one's understanding of fiction and reality is.

[(Anonymous)]

but I also think media can have a skewed version of things as well.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I'm not really sure what this means. Maybe because it's late.

Are you willing to elaborate?

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I mean that I have my doubts that all portrayals of gay relationships on TV, movie, etc are completely accurate. They are probably getting better, but there are stereotypes that still exist.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Well, it does cross into the real world including:

1. harassment of gay/bi men at cons
2. brigading for slash ships to be made "canon" as good "representation"
3. people using their familiarity with slash and gay porn to say how they're supportive "allies."

Not to mention some of us do engage in slash as a commentary for the heterosexism of mainstream media.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Sorry for the late answer, but I thought I'd clarify.

As a gay man, I think you're doing it right. In fact, it's pretty frustrating to see so many women get defensive and angry and saying they just find it hot and see no need to apologize for it because... they shouldn't! It's fine to think slash is hot regardless of your gender or sexuality, I'm down with that.

BUT, look at what the person I replied to says:

"I'm sorry that it makes you uncomfortable, but i really is not one fucking thing to do with you. Slash is an expression of female sexuality, and as a man, as a gay man that is not something that affects you in any way. And as for men trying to shame women for expression their sexuality? I find that deeply offensive and gross."

THIS is gross and THIS is the problem. It's hypocrisy at it's finest, pretending queer male interaction is something beyond what it really is in order to claim it as belonging to women. How is this not fucked up? 1.Other people's sexualities aren't your plaything 2.Any media that portrays any group is subject to criticism by that same group. As women, I'd think they would know what it's like to not being able to criticize the way they're portrayed by other people.

So, yeah, I think your position is a sensible one and I really wish people coming into discussions like this knew the difference.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I do agree that statement is entitled.

I'm just glad my own point of view on the whole issue is something with a bit of sense to it.

[(Anonymous)]

Lesbian porn, yes. Hot ladies in skimpy outfits in comic books not because comic books aren't porn. Porn gets a free pass.

[(Anonymous)]

Slash writing isn't exclusively porn though. A lot of women actually enjoy characterization AND getting of on both characters being men. How is this that different from men enjoying sexy comic book girls?

[(Anonymous)]

Slash is emotional porn, same shit.

[(Anonymous)]

Not trying to offend but you're really coming off as reaching for excuses for women to behave the same way straight dudebros do.

[(Anonymous)]

But it's true. Many women fap to feelings, not porn.

[(Anonymous)]

And so do some men, and some women fap to porn.