[ SECRET POST #3238 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3238 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

02. http://i.imgur.com/CJMFXuw.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone needs a hobby, OP. I'm glad you've found one that works for you.

[(Anonymous)]

It's so surreal.

Some years before the bbc remade Sherlock as a series (and before the Richie films) I used to be in the book-Sherlock fandom. Things used to be very small.

And now the fandom is this huge.

[(Anonymous)]

Except it isn't in fact the same fandom at all.

[solticisekf]

hmm, ACD fandom's always seemed big to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I not enough of a Sherlock Holmes scholar to do this, but I must confess I love seeing people who are go up against BBC Sherlock newbies who think that watching the show and loving Benedict Cumberbatch makes them an expert on all things Holmes. Guilty pleasures!

[(Anonymous)]

same.

[dreemyweird]

Yes, same. Sadly, nowadays there are fewer straight-up ignorant BBCS fans in my circles, but the memories of some discussions I used to have give me a sort of twisted satisfaction >:D

[caerbannog]

I keep reading as ACDC and confusing myself

[(Anonymous)]

ngl, the idea of ACDC fans arguing with Sherlock fans also sounds like something I'd watch...

[caerbannog]

But what do you think they'd argue about. Character music preferences? ACDC Easter eggs?

[(Anonymous)]

You do know that when most BBC Sherlock fans argue about characterization, they're talking about the characterization of the BBC version specifically, right? Most of us don't regard characterization that's true of one Sherlock to be true of all Sherlocks. Ditto the Johns.

I, for example, regard ACD Holmes as asexual, while I regard Ritchie Holmes as pansexual, and BBC Sherlock as gay but sexually repressed. So if you come in and start arguing with me about Sherlock's characterization, that's completely cool, but I just hope you know that you're not arguing with me about ACD Holmes, or Granada Holmes, or any other Holmes except BBC Sherlock.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure there are reasonable fans like that, but I've seen BBC Sherlock fans who sadly aren't as clued in that their version of Holmes is far different than the ACD Sherlock Holmes.

[(Anonymous)]

Fair enough. I've encountered few to none of these people myself, but fandom is a big place, and having seen fans argue plenty of downright bizarre opinions in the past, I don't doubt that these people you speak of exist.

[(Anonymous)]

Some fans. Many are weirdly specific and unwilling to consider 19th century social mores in interpreting ACD canon.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt - Yep. And I know exactly why they're unwilling or unable to consider the social context of the time period. I think it's fine if you love Holmes/Watson slash, but pretending like it's canonical... nah, sorry.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, okay. Presuming that these people insist their interpretation of canon is accurate, I can see how that would be annoying. If their interpretation is meant to just be their headcanon, that's different, but a lot of people do have difficulty distinguishing between the two, I find.

[tcex28]

What confuses me is how BBC Sherlock(-only) fans even get into arguments over ACD Sherlock. Like why does that happen?

[(Anonymous)]

Because they assume that Sherlock's creators are as faithfully reproducing canon Holmes for a modern audience as they say they are. Without going to source, they have no idea how way off that is, and assume when they come across ACD fans that they are on common ground.

[elaminator]

To be honest I don't see the appeal of 'arguing' about characterization at length. For instance, if someone said Sherlock was a gentle, kind, perfect soul I'd be like "?!?!?!" but in a lot of cases people aren't going to change their minds and I'm fine with leaving them with their interpretation even if I feel it's terribly, terribly wrong, lol.

But in this specific case, wouldn't the BBC Sherlock fans be arguing about BBC Sherlock's characterization? (Sure, there probably is the occasional fan who hasn't read the books but thinks they know everything about the source material, but I bet that's rare.) I don't think the majority of the fanbase are convinced that BBC Sherlock and book Sherlock are the same things. Every version is different.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, there probably is the occasional fan who hasn't read the books but thinks they know everything about the source material, but I bet that's rare

In my (fairly extensive) experience in the BBC Sherlock fandom, it is rare. But then I'm not someone who's going into the ACD-loving side of fandom very much. I guess it stands to reason that the BBC Sherlock fans who are also, secondarily, ACD Holmes fans, would go over into the ACD side of fandom. And then some of them will get into arguments with ACD Holmes fans, because their ideas about ACD Holmes are heavily shaped by their more dominant love of the BBC version - whereas ACD Holmes fans' view of the ACD story is predominantly shaped by their love of that story itself.

I can see how those sorts of encounters would be annoying for ACD Holmes fans.

[(Anonymous)]

Especially since there is a lot of inaccurate fanlore in the BBC fandom about ACD, canon Holmes and the nineteenth century context, and even quoting chapter and verse doesn't seem to convince them to drop it.

A particularly egregious example is "ACD married off Watson because of the Oscar Wilde scandal, so it would seem less gay". Watson marries in SIGN (1889). At which point Wilde hadn't even met Alfred Douglas.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's about trying to convince people. I think it's just that it's fun to get into those arguments because it gives you a reason to have a back-and-forth about something that really interests you.

[diet_poison]

I don't know anything about Sherlock or ACD and don't really care, but I relate to that XKCD comic on a spiritual level, so I definitely appreciate this secret.

[solticisekf]

Nice secret design here!

Arguing on the Internet is fun, ikr.