[ SECRET POST #3241 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3241 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Inspired by #2

[(Anonymous)]

From "Following Gandalf" by Matthew Dickerson:

"Faramir was explicit in stating what I earlier suggested was implicit in the refusals of Gandalf and Elrond: he would rather suffer total military defeat than do the evil that would need to be done to win the war by the use of the Ring. In fact, he would sacrifice not only his own life but also his land, rather than give in to such moral evil. Given the choice between doing good and having Minas Tirith fall into ruin, or doing evil but winning a triumph on the battlefield, he would choose ruin. These are not idle word, but ones proven by deeds. Faramir does what his brother could not do; he lets the Ring depart with the Ringbearer. Gentleness may be repaid with death? So be it."

I may have framed the argument poorly in saying that Faramir doesn't want things. But he doesn't want anything that the ring can corrupt because he is a man of faith. If you read earlier in this book, it talks about Faramir and his prayer at the beginning of the meal with his men and showing his connection to divine Authority and his willingness to accept a representative of Eru in Gandalf. To suggest that evil can corrupt everything that Eru created is to undermine Eru and give more power to Sauron than he deserves. It is difficult to resist but it is not impossible and those who would follow His moral teachings are the ones who are "good". Faramir is the example that we should follow. (And yes, this book has an entire chapter about Gandalf's temptation.)

Re: Inspired by #2

[philstar22]

Faramir isn't tempted at all. Plenty resist the temptation. Gandalf does. Galadriel does. Sam does. Frodo does for a while. But Faramir isn't resisting temptation, we're never shown the ring even having an affect on him at all. And I don't see why the ring wouldn't have tried because Faramir does want things. Faramir would not be willing to do evil to win, of course, but I think that like with Gandalf the ring would have at least tried to tempt him with the idea of using it to protect his people. But Faramir's refusal is written differently to Gandalfs. It is written as if there is no temptation there at all, as if the ring never even tried and as if Faramir doesn't want anything. And that is what bugs me personally. I don't think it shows strength and goodness if a character is never even tempted at all. The strength is in the resisting. Gandalf shows that. Sam shows that. I don't really think Faramir does.

Re: Inspired by #2

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I'm not going to be able to convince you but I think you're looking at the text in the wrong way. I think he is tempted but it's nothing to him because he is a deeply moral man who cannot be led astray. But even if you think he was never tempted, I would say there is great value and strength in that too. Faramir is the example of the best of humans. He is the embodiment of the nobility that men can achieve. He is hope. He is the good example that others can follow, and that is very important to a lot of readers, which is why it was so upsetting to see what they did to his character. Maybe you don't think humans can be this good, which is sad, but some of us like to think we could be so Faramir is important as he is in the book. Given the deeply moral tale Tolkien is telling, his appearance makes total sense in the book.