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Has anyone here seen it yet? I'm biased because she's my favorite Marvel (anti-)hero but can we all agree that it's absolutely amazing? I admit I wasn't too keen on the actress at first but never mind, count me in, IT'S THE BEST SHOW 2015 HAD TO OFFER.

I've only seen up to episode 7 so far and I love it.

How rape is it? It looks like it's going to be pretty rapey

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I'm only partway through the first episode, but I've read a few articles say that definitely featured in the show. Not sure if it's graphic though. I've also seen a few people say that Jessica was actually raped by Purple Man which is disappointing because it was made pretty clear in the comics that he didn't rape her. The main focus in the original story was on how violated she felt by being under his control (he also made her watch as he raped other women, which obviously fucked her up as well).

AYRT

Well, one character was raped, which they say in the sixth episode. It explains a B-plot, but the character only says it, there are no flashbacks or anything.

That said, because of the mind-control and incredibly creepiness of Kilgrave the show has very rapey undertones, much like the comics did. As I mentioned above I'm only on episode 7 though, I don't know what happens in the later episodes.

TBH I'm waaaay more excited about Luke Cage than Jessica herself.

Luke is great. I love him and Jessica together and their scenes are amazing. I thought I wouldn't be able to buy Luke because of the actor's previous role on The Good Wife, but he, like the rest of the cast, is just so good.

I've got all but the last episode downloaded to watch this weekend.

I just started episode 4! I absolutely love it so far. I love Jessica, I love Trish, I love Luke, I love all the different relationships and I hate Kilgrave so fucking much and want to punch him for a thousand years but David is doing a great job with him.

I find this show to be surprisingly good, and I say that as someone who was super excited for it and expected it to be good. I definitely see why it's been said this is Marvel's best show thus far, even though right now I have a difficult time picking a favorite between this and Daredevil. Both are super compelling and well made shows. I haven't ran into any major faults yet and maybe I'll feel different once I finish the season, but as of right now I'm all in.

I very briefly reviewed the first two episodes on my tumblr and I was going to start 'live-blogging' (IE, write down my thoughts while watching then post after) but now I'm wondering if that would be irritating for my followers...

I'm just really enthusiastic about where this is going and have a feeling I'll be open to discussion about it after I finish, lol.

I love Jessica, I love Trish, I love Luke, I love all the different relationships and I hate Kilgrave so fucking much and want to punch him for a thousand years but David is doing a great job with him.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes to all of that. Especially on David Tennant; he is a terrific actor.
I can't decide if David should never be allowed to play villains, EVER, or play all the villains, all the time. Holy fuck is he an utterly insane and psychotic monster. As a fan of the comics I'm completely and utterly opposed to Jessica/Kilgrave, it's a huge NOtp for me. But fuck me if I don't ship it in the show (somebody help. I am the worst).

I don't have a tumblr but if you posted the links here I'd love to read your posts about the episodes! I am, as you can see, equally enthusiastic about the show. :D

I knew David was a talented actor, but I admit that I haven't seen him in much outside Who. He clearly has some range...

Which is both a good thing and a terrifying thing. He deserves loads of credit for how well he's pulled off the character this far, but the writing on this show is also really good imo. And the directing, everything, it's all very tight and makes Kilgrave feel like a perverse, ever-present threat. Ugh, I hate him.

Holy fuck is he an utterly insane and psychotic monster.

Monster is exactly the word I'd use for him! Exactly. (I think I did, even, lol.)

I know what it's like to enjoy monstrous characters.

But fuck me if I don't ship it in the show

Well, I ship Hannibal/Will so I know what it's like to ship fucked up pairings, but I can't do this one. At least not yet. Maybe something could change, but with the (apparent?) rape I'm thinking probably not...

But you aren't even the only person to express interest in that pairing on this comm, so hey, you aren't alone.

Now I'm kind of embarrassed about even mentioning it because they aren't exactly the finest reviews, lol. The first two were vague af because I didn't want to spoil anything. If you want to you can read them under my Jessica Jones tag, and I'll also be reblogging more gifs and shit when I finish the season. NGL, I'll probably do almost nothing but eat, sleep and watch Jessica Jones this weekend; I'm hoping I can finish it up.

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Well, I ship Hannibal/Will so I know what it's like to ship fucked up pairings, but I can't do this one.

Yeah, at least with Hannibal and Will there was mutual attraction and reciprocation of feelings (even if Will reaaaaally didn't want to for a long time). But Jessica just (very understandably) straight up loathes Kilgrave. It's a very, very different dynamic. I also really like fucked up pairings, but this one is Batman/Joker (my notp) levels of Do Not Want for me

Yeah, at least with Hannibal and Will there was mutual attraction and reciprocation of feelings (even if Will reaaaaally didn't want to for a long time).

That's very true. There's is a complex relationship even with all the abuse and the manipulation (even after Will realizes Hannibal has played him, and that Hannibal is the devil in disguise, he's still drawn to him, and he doesn't loathe him at least partially because he can understand him), and Kilgrave and Jessica seem to be much, much more straightforward. (He forced her to do terrible things, she is understandably hating him for it.)

Hannibal definitely manipulated Will into some unpleasant situations, and he did seem to almost...seduce Will over time, but it isn't quite the same thing as straight up controlling someone. (Will could fight, and did for a long time.)

Still fucked up, but yea.

Anyway, I won't judge anon for shipping it, but it isn't for me, I think.

Oh! Just wanted to add that I found the mention of Batman/Joker amusing. I've always been fascinated by Joker's feelings for Batman (particularly in the Arkham games verse) and do think there is some fucked up stuff there on HIS part, but I can't in a million years imagine it reciprocated.

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I've always been fascinated by Joker's feelings for Batman (particularly in the Arkham games verse) and do think there is some fucked up stuff there on HIS part, but I can't in a million years imagine it reciprocated.

Oh yeah, Joker definitely has a weird boner for Batman (the comics have had a lot of fun with this and the intensity of Joker's crush/hate-love has varied depending on the writer. It sometimes pretty clearly has sexual undertones and it's sometimes more subtle). Poor Batman.

the comics have had a lot of fun with this and the intensity of Joker's crush/hate-love has varied depending on the writer. It sometimes pretty clearly has sexual undertones and it's sometimes more subtle

I've seen a bit of that here and there and I really like it. It isn't so good for Batman and it's creepy as all fuck, but it adds another layer to that relationship.

It isn't that I don't get the appeal of an obsession like Kilgrave's on some level, but to that particular extent, with the addition of mind-control it just...takes it to a place I don't really want to follow.

AYRT

Kilgrave is the worst. I hated him in the comics but Tennant and the show made him actually terrifiying.

with the (apparent?) rape

I hope the show follows the comics, where Kilgrave didn't rape Jessica during her captivity. Granted, in the comics it's even worse because he instead made her watch him rape other girls. I don't know if you've read Alias but in the comics I think that fucked her up even more than if he had raped her himself. (I mean, I don't want the last part to have happened, Jesus Fuck, give Jessica a break already, dammit. But that a man mindcontrolling a woman didn't use that to force her to have sex with him was sort of novel, I feel.)

I don't even know if shipping is the right word for it, lol. I definitely want to read all the fic that explores Kilgrave's twisted obsession with her after episode 7. (Look forward to episode 7. If you want to know just how insane and monstrous Kilgrave is, episode 7 is the one for you. It's a great episode, but I think that goes without saying.)

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. And it's a good thing you'll be reblogging gifs; I can't navigate tumblr but I want aaaaall the Jessica Jones things, lol.

and the show made him actually terrifiying

IMO It's because he's obsessive and fucked up in a way that feels very true to life; it's uncomfortable watching him and Jessica for so many reasons, but one of them is that this seems like a relationship that could fit into the real world if you took out the whole superpower aspect. It changes things up a good bit, but still... the possessiveness, the abuse, the manipulation, the obsession, the, well, insanity and inability to back off even though she hates him, it's just awful. She's trapped.

But that a man mindcontrolling a woman didn't use that to force her to have sex with him was sort of novel, I feel.

That's true enough, although after seeing the show I def think he's capable of anything. He is the scummiest scumbag to ever scum. I think regardless of what happens, he rapes her, he rapes someone else and forces her to watch, it's going to be an acute torture that's going to haunt her. Poor Jessica, Christ.

Just reached episode 8 and...yea. If I wasn't officially freaked out before this point, I would be now. Kilgave is a freaky, disgusting human being who is batshit to the absolute max. Could things even get worse beyond this point? It seems impossible, but considering what a piece of shit Kilgrave is...probably.

AYRT

Spoilers for episode 7 & 8, in case anyone else is reading this.

Also just watched episode 8, holy fuck. I think it was you who said in some comment that each episode you think Kilgrave can't get any worse, and then the next episode he does something even more terrible. I mean, episode 7 had him force a kid to slit his own throat for daring to say he was in love with Jessica. And making him kill himself in Jessica's own bed, Jesus Christ. And in 8 he's even worse? How do you even do that without becoming a ridiculously OTT villain?

That's true enough, although after seeing the show I def think he's capable of anything

Looks like the show went with him raping her in the physical sense as well as the mental. Damn, that whole convo was awful. Yeah, he had an awful childhood, but god, it's not as though that excuses him forcing people into complete servitude, raping people with zero remorse. He completely lacks even so much as a drop of empathy, and that's terrifying because people like that exist here in the real world, too.

Hahaaaaaa, yup, that was me. He just keeps reaching new, depraved depths. I mean, this is a guy who kidnapped, repeatedly raped and kept a girl (for...I can't even remember how long) then made her kill her parents IN THE VERY FIRST EPISODE. So I'm almost impressed at how the writers keep thinking of worse and worse things for him to do, because every episode feels like a new limit. (As for him being OTT, I think he's supposed to be OTT while still feeling realistic. He's like some random, crazy asshole IRL dialed up to 11.)

You were the anon I spoke to in today's thread too, right? I agree, he's basically as awful as they come. What I find frustrating about Kilgrave is he has that line about not knowing if people do things because he tells them to, or because they want to please him. ...Like, really? REALLY? You ask someone to shoot themselves or cut off their face and you think they're doing that because they want to please you? You know better then that, you gigantic asshole. (There was even a line earlier in the season about how good it was to have his powers of mind control.)

I guess what he means is in some situations like with Jessica, but (even if he wasn't in the wrong with Jessica, which he absolutely positively was) that would still leaves him treating everyone else in the world like disposable playthings easily discarded without a thought or care. He isn't capable of feeling sorry or empathetic, he's a psychopath.

If he REALLY wanted to be a good person, he would change his way of speaking, he wouldn't order everyone around; that's exactly what he wants, though. He isn't even interested in being a half decent person, he just wants what he wants regardless of how the other person feels about it.

SA

Oh, and I've read your episode reviews so far! I like them, though I'm curious what you think of the cop guy by now. I liked him when he brought Trish that gun, but since then he has cracked IMO. The way he keeps insisting that Kilgrave needs to be killed even though he knows that an innocent girl will go to prison for the rest of her life if he does (does NY have the death penalty? Could hope get it for the murder of her parents?), and how he was even willing to kill the innocent staff in the house...

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I haven't started JJ yet(seeing if I can start tonight) but as someone who follows you, doooooo the live blogging, I'd love to discuss it once I actually get into it.

I am so stoked about Killgrave being an utter asswipe though, I love me a good villain and if he's half as awful as I've seen people say he is I am going to enjoy hating him.

I post so little (actual posts, lol, clearly not reblogs) that three posts in one day feels obscene, wrong, and like spam. It isn't like I intend to do this with everything, but I just had to urge to put my thoughts down. ... And speak with someone about this, but seeing as the show was just uploaded today there aren't all that many people who have seen it. So yea, I hope you get to watch it and we can discuss it after we all finish! It's really excellent!

I know how much you love your villains! He hasn't even really appeared that much so far, but I've loved/hated every scene he was in. He's made me flinch, he's made me yell at my screen. He is exactly the kind of character I love to hate. (And I do truly hate him, but it's that weird situation where despite that you want to know more; he's way beyond what the MCU has done with their villains thus far, sans Loki maybe.)

Yeah I get when you just want to talk about something but have no real outlet, random posts are all cool though and once I've seen it it wont just be you shouting into the void. :P

I do love me a good villain it's true. One of the things I liked so much about Daredevil was the villains and the spread of them that there was, and from what I've seen of the JJ teasers Killgrave looks like he is fucked up, which I am so there for. Plus I want to see Jessica herself as she is not a character I am familiar with outside of her name and relation to Luke Cage, introduce me to a new hero(or anti-hero) guys!

Kilgrave is so fucked up, let me tell you. I won't spoil anything but he seems to find new and disturbing things to do every damn episode. I'm only on the fourth one so I have NO IDEA how he could get worse and worse every episodes for 9 more episodes, but I wonder if it's going to happen.

He is seriously a peace of work. I can't wait till you watch and we can discuss how awful he is, lol.

Jessica is really well written, though! She's not your typical hero but she's so realistic and flawed and I can't help but love her. It's super easy to sympathize with her, after all she's been through.

And Luke...wow. WOW.

Yeah I'm expecting it, mind control villains can be on another level of messed up but I like it.

Okay I just watched the first episode, KILLGRAVE WHAT THE FUCK?! IT GETS WORSE?? Holy hell. ~~Give me more~~. Jessica kicks ass though, I am definitely liking her.

Luke Cage is fine as hell, I am interested in seeing more and seeing them both find out that the other is gifted.

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THIS SHOW IS BOMB!

There's not a character I don't like on it! I thought I would roll my eyes at the "tough girl" angle, but it works with her trying to deal with what's happened, and her relationships!!!!

Luke: I want them to talk more (granted I'm only on 4, so I'll have to continue), but I really want to explore this, now more than before (because I a=have to admit, I really want to see what's going to happen between her and Kilgrave. I'm on a binge for people that should never be together, especially if one is super fucked up). But e3 piqued my interest on them together.

Trish: I love how she's not going to just sit out and hope Jess will save her. e2 almost had me teary eyed, or was it 1? I just loved their friendship. Sacrifice, love, oh the tears! I will be very upset if they off her.

I'm just on this show! It's good! And I love that Jessica took that step at the end of e1 to reclaim her life.

Now, where is all the fic about her and Kilgrave? Because I want her to end up or at least teamed up with Luke (although after the reveal, lol I don't think so), but I love the trope of enemy lovers, especially when it can get all kinds of plotty and messed up with the relationship between her and Kilgrave. I don't even know what I want?!

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