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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-11-21 03:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #3244 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3244 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Walking Dead]


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[Splatoon]


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[Doc Martin]


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[Silmarillion]


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[Tucker & Dale vs. Evil]


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[Deep Blue Sea]


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[undertale]


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(Fantasy author Scott Lynch)


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(Taylor Swift, "Shake it Off")


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[Dany Boon]


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[Masturbation Master Kurosawa]








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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
I guess my problem with feminists fighting male issues, even if they're rooted in the patriarchy, is that they don't actually address the male issue. They're more interested in uplifting women, which is needed, but doesn't actually address the issue from the male perspective.

My other problem is that while the patriarchy is a useful lens to view gender issues in, it's treated as the only way to view them, when they have much more nuance than just that.

I mean, it's technically a feminist issue, but feminists aren't doing much about it and will likely never do much more. So for practical purposes, it isn't and needs another group with different goals in mind to address it.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
THIS THIS THIS!

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
You're talking about the mra, aren't you. or the "Equalistst"/"Egalitarians" right?

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
DA but I don't think those groups are doing a very good job of it, and they're antagonistic towards women, which isn't helpful.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
They fit the criteria "a group with other goals in mind", but for the most part I don't think either group has been particularly productive in addressing the issues they're concerned with.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
The MRA is counter-feminist, not pro-man.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
I know. But that doesn't mean people don't keep trying to promote it as pro-man.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I don't really have a horse in this race, but it always seems remarkable to me how many arguments against the MRM are just recycled arguments from the early feminism days.

"They don't care about women, they just hate men"

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
There are similarities in the arguments against, but not really in the organizations or their styles or causes.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
Reminds me of the University of York, where on the International Men's Day last week, a group of "feminists" basically wrote an open letter about why noting this day (which is a day dedicated to tell people about things like high suicide rate among men etc.) would be sexist and evil and basically managed to influence the University into officially ignoring it. One of the arguments in the letter basically burned down to "The International Men's Day does not address women's issues enough and therefore is sexist" another was basically "they didn't ask us women how we wanted to talk about it so it's bad" - in both cases it was a clear example of "we only care when it's about us, if not, literally go kill yourselves".

This was all one day after a male student committed suicide there.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
address the male issues...?

directly refuse one to obliged, that's why.

is there differences of conception of the issues? was there
repentance of that regards?