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[Splatoon]

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(Taylor Swift, "Shake it Off")

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On the one hand, More men kill themselves which suggests a gender imbalance against men. But the reason men kill themselves in such high numbers is down to women not succeeding in suicide attempts nearly as much. Women apparently attempt it in much greater numbers but because men are socialised to be much more violent, their suicide attempts are much more likely to do terminal damage, and male violence is a gender imbalance against women, even though in this case it is of benefit to women. Also, the reason men even try in the first place is usually down to patriarchal pressures applied by other men. something which is, while not a woman's issue, still a symptom of the patriarchy.

I suppose what I'm asking is this: Is the high rate of male suicides something we should try and tackle as a means to end the patriarchy, or is it a symptom of the patriarchy so it will resolve itself once the patriarchy has no power?

My sense regarding gendered suicide rates in general is that it's almost entirely an artifact of the means of suicide chosen. So the reason that male suicide rates are higher in the West is just because men happen to choose - or have access to - means of suicide that are more effective. I don't think it's gendered beyond that.

That said, suicide is an important human issue and we should try to stop it on those grounds already, regardless of whether it's a feminist issue or a gendered issue. If there were a specifically male phenomenon of suicide, it would be something we should try to address - not because of our feminism, but because of our humanity.

I guess my problem with feminists fighting male issues, even if they're rooted in the patriarchy, is that they don't actually address the male issue. They're more interested in uplifting women, which is needed, but doesn't actually address the issue from the male perspective.

My other problem is that while the patriarchy is a useful lens to view gender issues in, it's treated as the only way to view them, when they have much more nuance than just that.

I mean, it's technically a feminist issue, but feminists aren't doing much about it and will likely never do much more. So for practical purposes, it isn't and needs another group with different goals in mind to address it.

THIS THIS THIS!

You're talking about the mra, aren't you. or the "Equalistst"/"Egalitarians" right?

DA but I don't think those groups are doing a very good job of it, and they're antagonistic towards women, which isn't helpful.

They fit the criteria "a group with other goals in mind", but for the most part I don't think either group has been particularly productive in addressing the issues they're concerned with.

The MRA is counter-feminist, not pro-man.

I know. But that doesn't mean people don't keep trying to promote it as pro-man.

You know, I don't really have a horse in this race, but it always seems remarkable to me how many arguments against the MRM are just recycled arguments from the early feminism days.

"They don't care about women, they just hate men"

There are similarities in the arguments against, but not really in the organizations or their styles or causes.

Reminds me of the University of York, where on the International Men's Day last week, a group of "feminists" basically wrote an open letter about why noting this day (which is a day dedicated to tell people about things like high suicide rate among men etc.) would be sexist and evil and basically managed to influence the University into officially ignoring it. One of the arguments in the letter basically burned down to "The International Men's Day does not address women's issues enough and therefore is sexist" another was basically "they didn't ask us women how we wanted to talk about it so it's bad" - in both cases it was a clear example of "we only care when it's about us, if not, literally go kill yourselves".

This was all one day after a male student committed suicide there.

address the male issues...?

directly refuse one to obliged, that's why.

is there differences of conception of the issues? was there
repentance of that regards?

This is a good comment.

Signed OP.

O-OP, you're so shameless.

It's true that women tend to attempt suicide through things like drug overdose, which is more likely to be unsuccessful, while a man is more likely to just shoot himself in the head. It's not a matter of men being more suicidal than women, the methods are just different.

Also, the reason men even try in the first place is usually down to patriarchal pressures applied by other men

This I disagree with. For one, you can't generalize anyone's reasons for committing suicide. For another, I'll never buy into the claim that the patriarchy is only upheld by other men - women contribute to harmful gender roles, too. All adults do. Everyone, man and woman alike, needs to shift in their thinking in order to restructure societal gender oppression.

Ah, the old, "everything will be great comrade, once the revolution is over we will have paradise!" Not that you give a shit about suicide except as an object lesson in theorizing away real problems.

The people who kill themselves tomorrow (disproportionately LGBT as well), need support resources today. You can pitch in with the work of making those resources available. Or you can stay out of the way.

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Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.