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I mean only as you define feminism. I know "Is it feminist" can be a muddy area.

Comment in second comment.

On the one hand, More men kill themselves which suggests a gender imbalance against men. But the reason men kill themselves in such high numbers is down to women not succeeding in suicide attempts nearly as much. Women apparently attempt it in much greater numbers but because men are socialised to be much more violent, their suicide attempts are much more likely to do terminal damage, and male violence is a gender imbalance against women, even though in this case it is of benefit to women. Also, the reason men even try in the first place is usually down to patriarchal pressures applied by other men. something which is, while not a woman's issue, still a symptom of the patriarchy.

I suppose what I'm asking is this: Is the high rate of male suicides something we should try and tackle as a means to end the patriarchy, or is it a symptom of the patriarchy so it will resolve itself once the patriarchy has no power?

My sense regarding gendered suicide rates in general is that it's almost entirely an artifact of the means of suicide chosen. So the reason that male suicide rates are higher in the West is just because men happen to choose - or have access to - means of suicide that are more effective. I don't think it's gendered beyond that.

That said, suicide is an important human issue and we should try to stop it on those grounds already, regardless of whether it's a feminist issue or a gendered issue. If there were a specifically male phenomenon of suicide, it would be something we should try to address - not because of our feminism, but because of our humanity.

I guess my problem with feminists fighting male issues, even if they're rooted in the patriarchy, is that they don't actually address the male issue. They're more interested in uplifting women, which is needed, but doesn't actually address the issue from the male perspective.

My other problem is that while the patriarchy is a useful lens to view gender issues in, it's treated as the only way to view them, when they have much more nuance than just that.

I mean, it's technically a feminist issue, but feminists aren't doing much about it and will likely never do much more. So for practical purposes, it isn't and needs another group with different goals in mind to address it.

THIS THIS THIS!

You're talking about the mra, aren't you. or the "Equalistst"/"Egalitarians" right?

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) - 2015-11-22 00:20 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) - 2015-11-22 00:20 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) - 2015-11-22 00:25 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) - 2015-11-22 00:42 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) - 2015-11-22 00:44 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) - 2015-11-22 18:06 (UTC) - Expand

Reminds me of the University of York, where on the International Men's Day last week, a group of "feminists" basically wrote an open letter about why noting this day (which is a day dedicated to tell people about things like high suicide rate among men etc.) would be sexist and evil and basically managed to influence the University into officially ignoring it. One of the arguments in the letter basically burned down to "The International Men's Day does not address women's issues enough and therefore is sexist" another was basically "they didn't ask us women how we wanted to talk about it so it's bad" - in both cases it was a clear example of "we only care when it's about us, if not, literally go kill yourselves".

This was all one day after a male student committed suicide there.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) - 2015-11-22 13:09 (UTC) - Expand

This is a good comment.

Signed OP.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) - 2015-11-22 00:29 (UTC) - Expand

It's true that women tend to attempt suicide through things like drug overdose, which is more likely to be unsuccessful, while a man is more likely to just shoot himself in the head. It's not a matter of men being more suicidal than women, the methods are just different.

Also, the reason men even try in the first place is usually down to patriarchal pressures applied by other men

This I disagree with. For one, you can't generalize anyone's reasons for committing suicide. For another, I'll never buy into the claim that the patriarchy is only upheld by other men - women contribute to harmful gender roles, too. All adults do. Everyone, man and woman alike, needs to shift in their thinking in order to restructure societal gender oppression.

Ah, the old, "everything will be great comrade, once the revolution is over we will have paradise!" Not that you give a shit about suicide except as an object lesson in theorizing away real problems.

The people who kill themselves tomorrow (disproportionately LGBT as well), need support resources today. You can pitch in with the work of making those resources available. Or you can stay out of the way.

I would classify suicide rates as a social issue rather than strictly a feminist one.

Don't you know? EVERYTHING is a feminist issue! Even things that are solely about men. Militant feminists have turned feminism into a brand, and to grow and keep it, tbey make everything about them.

I think it needs to me. MRA's have turned it into an issue, so if only to stop them from weaponizing it I think we as feminists need to address it in some way.

I don't think everything bad that happens is a feminist issue. I think feminism is fundamentally about women's issues and women's rights, and I disagree with the idea that men's issues are also feminist issues because Patriarchy.

Is it a gender issue? Yes. But it's not a women's issue, so it's not a feminist issue.

Only in that the more male deaths there are the better off women will be.

I knew I was going to get this when I posted. fortunatly I got some decent comments to offset you. So up yours.

Absolutely. Because it has much to do with unhealthy gender roles, and making gender roles more healthy is the main purpose of feminism.

I disagree. Feminism is about making women stronger. Destroying gender roles for women is a part of that it's not the end goal.

Re: Is high male suicide rates a feminist issue? TW: Suicided. Duh.

(Anonymous) - 2015-11-22 01:03 (UTC) - Expand

Wow. I mean, I was already sick of the "hurrdurr is this FEMINISMSM???" obvious troll threads to get a rise out of people - pretending like you actually give a shit about such things in order to get comments.

But now you're bringing suicide into it?

That's really fucking low.

Does anyone outside of college students, internet trolls, and clickbait bloggers really care about the "is this feminism" question?

No, if all men killed themselves, the world would be a much better place.

Not really, besides ruining family structures and various incomes, long term it'd mean no children to take care all of the eldery.

Though long, long term all of humanity dying would be actually good for the Earth, but probably not what anyone here wants.

rad!fem, both you and your persona suck.

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