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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-11-22 03:58 pm

[ SECRET POST #3245 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3245 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a Pratchett fan, but I bet he (and every other author) did or said something problematic during their lifetime, so wouldn't it be better to just design something abstract to avoid the "lets change the statue every few years after we find out something disagreeable about the previous figurehead" merry-go-around?

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean - I just want to point out that Lovecraft was virulently and passionately racist, and that his racism was closely tied to the thematic and aesthetic elements of his work. It's not like he got drunk and said the n-word or something. It's not like he incidentally happened to say something dumb. He was really, really racist.

Like, he was racist to the point that probably the best defense of him is that the reason he was so racist is because he was literally mentally ill

overt racism, beware

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
This.

He referred to the Chinese area of New York as “a bastard mess of stewing Mongrel flesh without intellect, repellent to the eye, nose and imagination,” and wrote this lovely poem:

On the Creation of Niggers

When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove’s fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th’Olympian host conceiv’d a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.

And he's said worse things but I'm too grossed out to continue looking. I'm a fan of the universe he created but DAMN I am not a fan of HIM.

Re: overt racism, beware

(Anonymous) 2015-11-23 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
I can only laugh at him. He was a sad little man. A shame he couldn't do his imagination better justice (with less race/gender crap.)
diet_poison: (Karkat - what the fuck)

Re: overt racism, beware

[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-11-23 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. That is really remarkably horrid.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Their idea was to change the award to be up to date, so they'd be changing it anyway, not just "after we find out something disagreeable about the previous figurehead." In other words, avoiding the "merry-go-around" of changing the statue every few years is meant to be a feature of their idea, not a bug.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that's going to suck, if you win in 2019, but would have preferred the statue of 2018.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
You should have written a better book for that year then, simples.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you heard about all the wank concerning Pratchett and his sexism? He was better than most old white men, but no, he was pretty scummy.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
It kinda demonstrates that you have to be literally perfect and completely untouched by your culture and society to be deemed Not Scummy.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
This is why they should go with something abstract instead of the likeness of a person. No person will ever be good enough.

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I've heard Mark Reads has been trying to stir some up, but to no great success. Why, what wank do you wish to try and make up my, little tumblrina?

(Anonymous) 2015-11-22 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, what wank?

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2015-11-22 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
All of the leading candidates for "face of fantasy" were people of strong opinions about what fantasy should be. And while this led to great individual bodies of work, I think that it becomes a recipe for cookie-cutter factory novels applied to the genre as a whole.