[ SECRET POST #3247 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3247 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Which explains the relative unpopularity of pairings like Kirk/Spock (ST:TOS), Kirk/McCoy (ST:AOS), Holmes/Watson, and Frodo/Sam.

...oh, wait.

[(Anonymous)]

Popular ships that are not best friends: Destiel (Supernatural), Sterek (Teen Wolf), Stony (MCU), Arthur/Eames (Inception). The MCU is an interesting case, too, because while Stucky could technically be a best friend ship, it didn't actually take off until they got a reluctant enemies tension added to it.

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AYRT

Ok, but I'm not trying to argue that best friend ships are the only popular ships. Rather, my point is that best friend ships--contrary to what the AIRT was saying--can indeed be juggernaut pairings.

(Irrelevant aside: Stucky was my MCU OTP long before CA2 came out.)

[(Anonymous)]

That really doesn't negate the ayrt's point.

[iggy]

Steve/Bucky, which is VASTLY more popular then Steve/Sam, despite both of them being 'besties' to Steve and the fact that Sam has about 10x more characterization.

Steve/Tony in the comics is popular BECAUSE they are best friends, although that dynamic is different in MCU.

[(Anonymous)]

No idea who Sam is, so can't speak to the character, but from my perspective outside the fandom, I presumed that Steve/Bucky were so popular more because Bucky has become a fandom woobie, and the woobies always get all the attention. Again, I haven't seen the film, but I presume Winter Soldier Bucky is not really the best friend Bucky of the first film, I get the sense that he's broken and damaged; hence, woobie.

In the past few years, it seems that the inclusion of a woobie will overpower any other variable in the equation.

[iggy]

Yeah he did become the fandom woobie, but you'd be hardpressed to convince me that one of the reasons he became a fandom woobie is because he is a cute white boy. He is far from the only tragic figure in MCU. in Cap2, he honestly has very little screentime.

I just don't understand why it's so hard to admit that some of this is racially based? Can you think of many non-white characters who have been woobified to the degree Bucky has been?

[(Anonymous)]

Because when other people in fandom would rather make snap judgements about your moral character based off of what you ship or what characters you like it does not make a conducive environment for these kinds of discussions, and frankly I don't buy that people really care since I only ever see these arguments crop up when shippers want ammo to shit all over a rival ship and its fans.

[(Anonymous)]

TBF Bucky's tragedy can't be compared to any other (in CAtWS and even MCU as a whole).
I mean, really, brainwashed, experimented on and being used as a weapon by his enemies for 70+ years is something hard to beat in terms of woobifying material.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT. I believe that some of it CAN be racially biased, but I also think a whole lot of other factors can come into play. I think you're on firmer ground when arguing the fandom trend overall, but with the specific examples, it just seems that a million different people have a million different reasons for shipping them.

However, your question does bring another one to mind for me. Are we presuming that fandom is overwhelmingly white, and hence the bias? Or are we presuming diversity in fandom but still a bias? I honestly have no idea of the makeup of fandom as a whole, and now I am curious.