[ SECRET POST #3248 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3248 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm kind of the same as you, tbh, even though I know it's not always fair. And while I am perfectly willing to assert that trans men are absolutely men, the DO have the experience of being raised as and treated as a woman. There's nothing wrong or shameful about that, it just is what it is. Trans people have experiences that are unique from cisgender people, and that's okay, so I don't think it's wrong to suggest those experiences may have shaped them as people. But as the other anon commented, I think it probably helps that LJ/Tumblr has been extremely female-dominated fandom, so a lot of trans people here, as non-trans men, have to be more comfortable with that if they are going to stick around, and I'd imagine trans guys would generally feel more comfortable on average with that than non-trans guys.

[(Anonymous)]

You're making an awful lot of assumptions about trans people here. Unless you expressly know a trans person's past, don't assume they've been raised any way. Lots of younger parents are making an effort to raise their kid in a gender neutral way, and many trans kids come out right before puberty and end up going through puberty as the gender they truly are, and gain all their formative teenage and young adult experiences as their true gender.

The issue with having "unique experiences" from cisgender people is that these experiences are constantly used to mock and demean trans people. Take this whole stupid "guy liking slash? Obvs a trans man" thing which I see repeated everywhere. Despite the fact that cis gay/bi men read and write slash in large numbers, we're quick to assume it's something unique to trans men and therefore it's some remnant of presumed "femaleness" coming through, which isn't true. They're still a guy, and they like slash. The trans part is irrelevant. People are very quick to use any deviation from stereotypical masculinity to shame trans men for being trans, which is essentially what a lot of this obsessing with what trans men do--what gets them off, how they type, what they're into, etc--comes from. It's a short form of saying "see? you're not a real man, you're different".

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, no. First, raising kids "gender neutral" is not only unusual, it's also impossible. There is absolutely no way anyone could be truly raised that way, away from gendered language, action and reaction in society. You would have to keep the kid locked in a dark room without any access to media or anyone in the outside world.

And yes, these things are used to mock trans people. But that doesn't mean trans people don't have different experiences from people who are not trans. You're right, a trans guy who likes slash is still a guy who likes slash. And a non-trans guy who likes slash is still a guy who likes slash, too. No one is debating that. But by denying that people who were raised as a different gender don't have unique experiences, you're basically denying what transgenderism is. Your "equality" is diminishing the experiences of trans people.