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What I don't like about the terms is that it basically defines gender as society defines gender. "Gender is a social construct" means that female gender likes pink, dresses, and dolls. Male gender likes blue, trucks and action figures. That's bullshit and all those are are stereotypes, they aren't "gender".

And I do not get the "biological sex is a social construct!" that's the current buzz phrase. I get that intersex people exist, but male and female sex are things. Evolution is just not that edgy.

However, if you're implying that you believe male and female brains are different, not sure about that.

"Gender is a social construct" means that female gender likes pink, dresses, and dolls. Male gender likes blue, trucks and action figures.

... no it doesn't.

Yes, it does. It means that society defines what gender is, therefore what society says a woman or man is supposed to be is how gender is defined.

What it means is this:

Society has decided that gender exists, and that there are two genders. Society has decided that every person performs or does not perform, in varying degrees, the stereotypes and societal expectations for their gender. Society has decided that a person whose gender is male and who loves to wear dresses and play with dolls is a very non-typical male, and will treat him like one. They will not treat a female who loves dresses and dolls the same way they treat a male who does.

If what you're saying were the definition of "gender is a social construct," it would mean society has decided that a person who loves to wear dresses and play with dolls is always a female. Nobody who loved dresses and dolls would ever be treated like an atypical person of their gender by society, because how they acted would determine their gender.

You're not really saying anything different.

First, sexes do exist. Half the population really does have a penis, the other half a vagina, and a small percentage is intersex. Me being a tomboy growing up and rejecting dolls and dresses made me no less feminine and no less of a girl, because I was perfectly content with the way my body was. "Gender" is not defined by society. My gender was always female, even when I did not act in the socially typical way.

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Thank you! I honestly don't forget why this is so hard for some peope. Sitting in an anthropology class 15 years ago, we went through a lot of different examples of the variations in genetic sex, physical sex, gender identity, and cultural expectations of gender and how they can occur in different combinations, each characteristic functioning with various degrees of independence. We learned how cultural expectations of gender (and things like marriage, sexual orientation, and family) vary dramatically around the world. I came out of there understanding that gender identity was innate, but separate from both biological sex and culture and that a person's gender ultimately should be determined by ASKING rather than by body or behavior or what society says they are and that the answer need not be strictly limited to either male or female. The professor never actually said that, but it was the lesson I learned when presented with the data. There are a lot of different possible combinations here and the categories all have wiggly edges (even the biological ones). I don't get why people are so scared of this. Gender being real doesn't mean you are locked-in to only two options or that you must conform to what others tell you your gender means. It doesn't mean you have to be able to give a clear answer when asked. It doesn't mean it can't change over the course of your life.

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