[ SECRET POST #3259 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3259 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I find the tagging and search capabilities of AO3 a million, trillion times better than FF, so that's the main advantage for me. I also like the general appearance of it more but that's entirely preference.

[(Anonymous)]

I find them a lot worse. Too much dross returned in AO3, such desperation and arrogance in assuming if I'm thrown their works then even though I'm clearly looking for something else that I'll still read and love it anyway. If AO3 limited its tags to a couple of main characters, and allowed me to exclude with the same ease as including then maybe it'd be functional. It'd have to create a separate crossovers section too, I love FF.net for that alone. I shouldn't have to muck about with search strings in order to not read how Supernatural is crossed over with the fandom I'm trying to search for. Not everybody wants to read about their favorite characters fucking with Dean and that other one whose name starts with a C.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that they should have a separate crossovers section, although I imagine it'd be hard to implement.

I also agree that in usage AO3 probably errs too much on the side of including too many tags. But I've gotten very good at fucking around with search strings, so it's not a big issue for me - and the flexibility that provides in searching is really fantastic. Also the stuff I'm looking for is usually specific enough that I can separate out the dumbass megaships.

[(Anonymous)]

I really wish there was a way to exclude crossovers.

[(Anonymous)]

Search within results: -Crossover
Doesn't do anything for the untagged ones, but oh well. You can also filter out more common fandoms individually (-"teen wolf", -sherlock, -supernatural, etc.)

[(Anonymous)]

This!

[diet_poison]

I think both tagging systems are far from perfect. A site with a really, honestly good tagging system for fics doesn't seem to exist (at least not a widely-used site).

[kallanda_lee]

This. I mean, let's be honest, both are dumping grounds for fics, but AO3 just llows you to filter so much better.

[(Anonymous)]

And by better, you mean worse. AO3 doesn't filter, it does the opposite. It seeks to return as many search returns as possible and thinks that false positives are a good thing.

[(Anonymous)]

AO3 also gives you a way to remove those false positives, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Get some basic search skills: http://archiveofourown.org/faq/search-and-browse?language_id=en#howtosearch

[(Anonymous)]

And there is the problem weeding out false positives should be integral to the first level of searching, not something you have to fanny about doing yourself. That they have to throw together some sort of advice on the user having to fix it is an admission that their search is broken on a fundamental level.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that it's imperfect. But I don't think FF is any better - they don't even get to the level of being able to provide that.

I mean, I get you apparently have an irreconcilable philosophical objection to false positives in searching, but I'm really hard pressed to see how the FF search system is a particularly good model either.

[(Anonymous)]

It provides far fewer of them. Mainly because its system of tagging and crossover segregation provides less opportunities for authors who seek to subvert anti-false positive measures to abuse the system. AO3 is just a huge swamp of tag abuse and inability to filter on the first level of search. Its search system prioritizes volume of responses over accuracy of responses.

[(Anonymous)]

It provides fewer false positives, but it is also far worse at finding true positives. Is the argument that I'm trying to make here.

[(Anonymous)]

WTH do you search for? I've never had a problem searching AO3 and finding what I'm looking for. I've seen a few false positives, but not so many that I think the system is horribly flawed.

It would be incredibly difficult to implement a set tag system on a site that includes so many different fandoms and types of creators. AO3 has a team to clean up the tags, but I also imagine this is difficult to stay current with.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I'm not the one who has an insurmountable objection to false positives, here. But there are problems with tag-monster fics, and with things like ships being tagged that are barely present in a story. And I imagine it looks a lot worse if you're mostly searching in very popular fandoms / pairings.

[(Anonymous)]

FF: What search system. They have a few indexes and that's it.

[(Anonymous)]

No, your view is too naive. Maybe if every person though alike it could work like that, but the archive is too big and the people posting to it too different ( <3! ).

It's not that different from the Internet or any big library. You can let yourself be pleased by what's immediately visible. Or you can educate yourself a tiny little bit and draw on vast resources. Your choice.

[(Anonymous)]

^Elitism defined in a single post.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, more like blind tribalism.

[kallanda_lee]

You can combine search terms, though. And that narrows it down. I could say, search for explicit modern day war veteran AU's for the Steve/Bucky pairing and get a fairly select amount of fics.

Sure, there might be crossovers or other stories I don't want to read, but t's pretty good at getting you what you want.