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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-02-22 05:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #413 ]


⌈ Secret Post #413 ⌋

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Re: 32

[identity profile] lanjelin.livejournal.com 2008-02-23 12:40 am (UTC)(link)
No, I don't mean that her crush on him when they were ten/eleven was creepy; it's the holding on to a crush she had as a ten year-old as she grows up that's creepy.

And I've never said she stalked him obsessively. Though I did find the part that she'd never given up on him while dating other people a bit much, really.

Er. Yes they did? In CoS and OotP they do :/

I meant an actual conversation, not a scolding (though where is the one in OotP? I think I've missed it). I especially would have liked one after Harry had become romantically interested in her. As things are, the impression one has is that he's only attracted to her looks.

Because his best friends, his FIRST friends, the ones that have ALWAYS been there for him and everything should count the same as his new gf?

Actually, I think your true love, which Ginny were supposed to be, should be your best friend, equal, and part of the most important happenings in your life. Especially in fiction, were things actually have to make sense (as opposed to real life where things generally just tend to happen at random, and would make awful stories).

Not to meantion that they all knew each other, and were supposed to be close; Ginny is Ron's sister, and I was frankly very surprised over the way she was left out.

I don't dislike the pairing because of the characters involved in it; I dislike the way it was written.

Re: 32

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2008-02-23 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Why? She's supposed to be his true love, but if she keeps liking him from the moment she meets him it's creepy? You can't have both.

Alright, maybe there isn't a deep conversation between them. There're lots of missing scenes, though. I'd rather have that, than have a chapter devoted to their relationship or something equally shippy and/or cheesy. She IS there for a lot of the stuff involving Voldemort.

Not to meantion that they all knew each other, and were supposed to be close; Ginny is Ron's sister, and I was frankly very surprised over the way she was left out.

He never included any of Ron's brothers before, either. I just like that he doesn't suddenly elevate Ginny to the same level of trust and attachment he has with Ron and Hermione. They've just been through way too much. It shouldn't mean that he doesn't love Ginny or anything. It just means they're different for him.

Re: 32

(Anonymous) 2008-02-23 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
There was a whole book where the Gryffindors did practically nothing beyond date, and yet still there were never any deep interactions between H/G. And what stuff with Voldemort was she there for - the stuff where Harry waits for her to leave the room before he discusses the HBP, or the stuff where he sternly tells her not to get involved and she agrees? Or the stuff where he leaves her to her mother after her brother is killed because he needs some peace?

Re: 32

[identity profile] lanjelin.livejournal.com 2008-02-25 10:16 am (UTC)(link)
Why? She's supposed to be his true love, but if she keeps liking him from the moment she meets him it's creepy? You can't have both.

I don't think I understand what you mean? I meant that a ten-year old might not have the most mature feelings, and holding on to them sounds more like an obsession than true love.

I also have trouble believing true love between people who hardly know each other.

There're lots of missing scenes, though. I'd rather have that, than have a chapter devoted to their relationship or something equally shippy and/or cheesy.

I just wanted something. Like, for example, the scene at the end of... OotP, I think, where Harry has a meaningful conversation with Luna, and with a few words we really get the impression that they understand each other. I don't ship them, but it had the feeling of a deep friendship developing, and something similar with Ginny would have been nice.

He never included any of Ron's brothers before, either. I just like that he doesn't suddenly elevate Ginny to the same level of trust and attachment he has with Ron and Hermione.

I just would have thought she'd be included among his most important people... After all, it's what Rowling wanted us to think, wasn't it?

It just means they're different for him.

I think I'm very much a romantic, in that I can't imagine true love without an equally deep friendship. I find the romantic love lessened if it's separated from friendship. Though this is just my personal thoughts, of course.

Re: 32

[identity profile] fraught.livejournal.com 2008-02-23 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
They don't need to have conversations! IT'S TWU WUV, DON'T YOU GET IT?! You're just supposed to accept that they've (maybe) had Deep And Meaningful(tm) conversations off-screen because Rowling couldn't be arsed to actually write H/G in any matter resembling "believable", and that their relationship isn't based on looks and Quidditch and snogging in dark corners.

Wordy McWord to your whole comment :)

Re: 32

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2008-02-23 06:39 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't say you had to accept it. I said *I* would much rather have H/G as a regular teenager thing where they snog a lot, than as a deep meaningful TWU WUV bunch of cheesy crap that distracts from the main plot.

The OP was saying they couldn't understand how ANYONE could like it, I'm saying why I do. Sorry if it breaks your little world to know that someone zomg likes H/G as it is in the books.

Re: 32

(Anonymous) 2008-02-23 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
It's clearly breaking your little world to know a lot of people hate H/G. Are you so insecure you need everyone to agree with you while you ape the author's ideas? Because like, all of your comments here have been all personalised, about how YOU like it, and YOU need to attack other people because they don't. Maybe because the pairing is so shit you can't defend it with actual evidence.

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2008-02-23 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Other than the snarky comment above, where did I attack people for not liking it?

My only problem is that not liking it/believing it was badly written somehow needs to equal 'OMG HOW CAN ANYONE LIKE IT' and it has to bash those who DO like it.

Re: 32

[identity profile] fraught.livejournal.com 2008-02-23 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
Trust me, it doesn't break my little world. Everyone has different tastes, after all; one person's poison is another person's pretty birthday cake. I probably could've liked H/G if it had been a simple regular teenage snogging thing, but I absolutely can't buy it as a true love thing that lasts as long as it does. I'm with the OP, actually, I don't get how ANYONE could like it. But then again, I also don't get why people buy Britney Spears albums or pay good money to watch Adam Sandler movies, so there you have it.

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2008-02-23 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Then I'll direct you to my first comment? That's mostly why *I* like it. I think they're compatible, and I think it's that overall what makes it believable for them to last for as long as they do.

I don't think it was the most epic romance ever written or anything, btw! JKR writes awesome friendships, not awesome romances.

It just seemed like you felt I was trying to convince others that they should like it, when I'm really not :/

Re: 32

(Anonymous) 2008-02-23 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
Wow, you're really overinvested in this. Some people don't like your ship and/or feel it wasn't well written. Get over it.

Re: 32

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2008-02-23 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
... S-sure? I know a lot of people don't like it. It's the HP fandom, someone's always going to hate something I like. Being that it's one of the friggin' main pairings, believe me, I'm aware of people not liking it.