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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-12-14 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #3267 ]


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(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
You shouldn't say "minority" when you mean "marginalized group". There's a lot of overlap between those two, yes, but they don't mean the exact same thing.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
OP

I said minority and mentioned bullying. I didn't intend to draw any parallel stronger than that, and I stand by my wording.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

I was responding to philstar22, not you, so IDK why you're getting so defensive? philstar's definition of "minority" is factually inaccurate, no matter how you slice it.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
OP

My bad, the threading was a little hard to parse at my end, and I just wanted to put this out there somewhere. No offense meant.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Per wikipedia:

'Minority group is a term referring to a category of people differentiated from the social majority, i.e. those who hold the majority of positions of social power in a society, and may be defined by law. Rather than a relational "social group", as the term would indicate, minority group refers to the above-described.'

Minority groups (minorities) are made to have a deficit in social power. If you feel people with red hair and blue eyes lack social power, then sure, you are in a minority. But it doesn't sound like it; even in GB, people with red hair and blue eyes can easily obtain social power, rank and wealth; they aren't systematically stripped of rights or social coin by laws and social systems put into place to deny them the same privileges others enjoy. Using the word minority for your genetic combination thus seems inaccurate.

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[personal profile] philstar22 2015-12-15 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
By technical definition, no. But they are used interchangeably when it comes to discrimination. When people say minority in that context, marginalized group is what they mean, and it is disingenuous to call a group not discriminated against a minority in the context of discussions of discrimination.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
OP

That's bloody silly. I'm saying it's a concern of mine when portrayals of the minority to which I belong are erased, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that we're a group who are discriminated against when there are much worse examples of discrimination we'd be measured against. Bullied, yes, a bit ignored, yes, and occasionally dunked as witches. But my wording was deliberate and, I think, accurate. We are, numerically, genetically, a minority.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
What planet are you from where words can mean whatever you want them to and not their actual, literal meaning?
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[personal profile] philstar22 2015-12-15 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
The planet where usage matters and the way which people use terms affects their meaning.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
So if a bunch of people start using the word "quilt" to mean "a one-legged duck", you'll unthinkingly accept that as the new meaning of the word, because that's how it's being used now.

Good to know.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 05:39 am (UTC)(link)
LOL! My quilt just quacked. Thought you might want to know.

(Anonymous) 2015-12-15 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
No, they're not.I already responded to this effect, but if that were the case women would be considered a minority, and no-one calls women a minority.