[ SECRET POST #3267 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3267 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

No. My sister has red hair and blue eyes. And this is not a minority. Minority isn't just about numbers, it is about privilege and discrimination.

[(Anonymous)]

They did say in the secret that they're aware of that...

[ill_omened]

No it's not, knock off the newspeak.

Also, I like the implication that red heads aren't relentlessly bullied.

[(Anonymous)]

In the UK, maybe so. I've seen articles about it and it seems really weird to me.

In the US, it's really not a thing to get bullied over. Maybe some teasing, but nothing serious like the stuff I've heard of happening in the UK.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Hello, yes, I am from the UK in fact. Also South Park IS NOT HELPING.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry, but doesn't Prince Harry have red hair? How terribly discriminated against can redheads be when a member of the royal family is a ginger?

[sarillia]

Yeah I accept that it happens but I don't even know what insults based on that sound like. I've never heard anything but good things about my hair my entire life.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Are you American? That's probably why.

People in the UK have this weird hang-up about redheads. I don't know why (not British myself, just have family there), but I suspect it has something to do with the historical tensions between England and Ireland (since the Irish have always been stereotyped as having red hair).

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, in the US being a redhead is pretty much glamorized, right of there with blondes.

[blitzwing]

Minority isn't just about numbers, it is about privilege and discrimination.

Yeah, it kinda is about numbers. Discrimination and minority status just correlate so frequently that it seems like the term refers to more than numerical status. "Marginalized groups" and terms along those lines work better than "minority" for talking about oppression and discrimination.

[(Anonymous)]

Minority also means not the largest part of the group. Do most redheads have green or brown or hazel eyes? (I have no idea.) If of all the redheads, the blue eyed ones are fewest numerically, then they are a minority.

Most people don't have red hair. So there aren't that many red headed actors, let alone ones with blue eyes.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I mentioned my phenotype as blue-eyed redheads are truly the minority of minorities (numerically, Christ, did I really have to point that out). Yes, we're the least common of possible combinations.

[kallanda_lee]

>Minority isn't just about numbers, it is about privilege and discrimination.

By definition, that word is about numbers. That's what minority means.

Not all minorities are oppressed, and not all oppressed groups are minorities. There's just a high correlation.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't you know? ~*Definitions don't matter!*~ The dictionary is just based on how people USE language and that's FLUID! Words mean whatever we want them to mean! /sarcasm.

[(Anonymous)]

You shouldn't say "minority" when you mean "marginalized group". There's a lot of overlap between those two, yes, but they don't mean the exact same thing.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I said minority and mentioned bullying. I didn't intend to draw any parallel stronger than that, and I stand by my wording.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I was responding to philstar22, not you, so IDK why you're getting so defensive? philstar's definition of "minority" is factually inaccurate, no matter how you slice it.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

My bad, the threading was a little hard to parse at my end, and I just wanted to put this out there somewhere. No offense meant.

[(Anonymous)]

Per wikipedia:

'Minority group is a term referring to a category of people differentiated from the social majority, i.e. those who hold the majority of positions of social power in a society, and may be defined by law. Rather than a relational "social group", as the term would indicate, minority group refers to the above-described.'

Minority groups (minorities) are made to have a deficit in social power. If you feel people with red hair and blue eyes lack social power, then sure, you are in a minority. But it doesn't sound like it; even in GB, people with red hair and blue eyes can easily obtain social power, rank and wealth; they aren't systematically stripped of rights or social coin by laws and social systems put into place to deny them the same privileges others enjoy. Using the word minority for your genetic combination thus seems inaccurate.

[philstar22]

By technical definition, no. But they are used interchangeably when it comes to discrimination. When people say minority in that context, marginalized group is what they mean, and it is disingenuous to call a group not discriminated against a minority in the context of discussions of discrimination.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

That's bloody silly. I'm saying it's a concern of mine when portrayals of the minority to which I belong are erased, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that we're a group who are discriminated against when there are much worse examples of discrimination we'd be measured against. Bullied, yes, a bit ignored, yes, and occasionally dunked as witches. But my wording was deliberate and, I think, accurate. We are, numerically, genetically, a minority.

[(Anonymous)]

What planet are you from where words can mean whatever you want them to and not their actual, literal meaning?

[philstar22]

The planet where usage matters and the way which people use terms affects their meaning.

[(Anonymous)]

No, they're not.I already responded to this effect, but if that were the case women would be considered a minority, and no-one calls women a minority.

[(Anonymous)]

Incorrect, even in the socially aware context you're describing this is just not how that word is used.

Women, for example, are recognised as one of the most unprivileged and discriminated groups worldwide, yet they are not ever referred to as a minority. Because they are the majority. the term used is "Women and Minorities"