[ SECRET POST #3277 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3277 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Leonardo DiCaprio]



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[John Barrowman]


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[Jurassic Park III, Alan/Billy]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 018 secrets from Secret Submission Post #468.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[erinptah]

there's more you can do with violence from an artistic standpoint

Mmm, not buying this. I can believe society (or at least the US) has hangups about sex that we don't necessarily have about violence, so we approach them differently in stories...but I don't think one is inherently more exploitative/less artistic.


something that throws straight-up loli fanservice into an otherwise serious narrative should be mocked for the same reason "cool" gratuitous violence in an otherwise serious narrative should be mocked

This, I am down with. No double standard, just criticizing skeevy and gratuitous writing for being skeevy and gratuitous.

I think OP's point is that not all fiction is supposed to be serious and morally realistic in the first place. You wouldn't want every mainstream anime to include shotacon fanservice, but that doesn't mean Kuroshitsuji shouldn't exist at all, or that people should be scorned for liking it.

...plus, some of the cries of "pedophilia!" in fandom have gone waaaaaaay farther than that. Like, there's "straight-up loli fanservice," and then there's "drawing a teenage character in average beachwear."

[feotakahari]

For the first part: honestly, what else is there to do besides Lolita? For violence, I could recommend anything from Tokyo Ghoul to Saving Private Ryan, but I can't think of anything recommendable besides Lolita that sexualizes children. (Maybe Little Miss Sunshine, but I wouldn't say that sexualizes children so much as it references and mocks ways in which children are sexualized.)

For the second part: a lot of my frustration comes from being a JRPG fan and repeatedly seeing headlines about how one JRPG or another has been "censored" because the American version doesn't sexualize children. I seriously want to ask these game devs why they sexualized children in the first place. I can't think of a single JRPG that had any apparent artistic reason for it.

Maybe my mistake is thinking in terms of JRPGs in the first place. Something like Rats Saw God or The Perks of Being a Wallflower where teenagers have realistic sex with each other would be a lot easier to defend than something where kids are used for generic "fanservice." (Then again, I don't think of stuff about 16-year-olds as pedophilia. I reserve that term for stuff about little kids.)

[erinptah]

Do you want to talk about media that specifically enters the POV of a sexual predator, or are we talking about all media that deals with sexualization of children? Because, I mean, I hear good things about The Color Purple.

I've bailed on a few intriguing-looking anime because suddenly there were sexy ten-year-olds being treated as normal, so I get how it would be frustrating to hit the same problem in JRPGs! But there's a big difference between "lots of these stories handle Situation X in a really sleazy, unnecessary way" and "anyone who writes Situation X, ever, is a terrible person. Unless they hit the nebulous threshold of Artistic Merit. And maybe not even then."

Also worth noting: some CSA survivors use fiction to help process their issues. Someone's trashy Supernatural shotacon AU might not be a work of staggering genius, but if there are readers who found it cathartic, that's valuable in its own right, surely.

...and given the wording of the secret, I'd guess the OP is thinking of the crowd that will cry "pedophilia!" on things like "teenagers having realistic sex with each other." Or who will argue that a story involving two adults is "pedophilia" if they have a large age gap, or if they're doing a consensual roleplay, or if it's aged-up fanfiction where either/both of them was a child in canon...there's been some serious harassment, both of actual shota/loli fans and of people who write/draw any of the above.

I can try to dig up links if you're curious -- a lot of this is happening on Tumblr, which is aggravatingly hard to search. It's out there and it's a mess, is the point.

[feotakahari]

I don't disagree with anything in your last post, and I myself was banned from TV Tropes in one of their frantic purges of suspected pedophiles. I'm just more sick of people trying to mainstream their fetishes than I am of people screaming about other people's fetishes.