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⌈ Secret Post #3278 ⌋

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[Scott Weiland, Stone Temple Pilots]

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[Super Smash Bros/Mario RPG]

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[Xena: Warrior Princess]

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[The Martian, The Force Awakens]

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08. [SPOILERS for Final Fantasy VII]

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11. [WARNING for incest]

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You are the bitterest baby (and also why people dislike Star Wars fans).

What hard work went into SW that did not go into The Martian? Not special effects or casting. And while the Martian is based off a book, TFA is largely derivative of previous SW movies.

Plus everyone knows the Martian is for the puppybase anyway. No point getting upset by it.

What's the puppybase?

They're SF snobs that want more "serious" SF as long as it features gritty badass white men.

Yeah I figured it had something to do with that Sad/Rabid puppy clusterfuck.

Isn't Star Wars supposed to be right up their alley tho? Like it isn't SRS BZNS Sci Fi focused on social issues its people flying around in space ships shooting bad guys with lasers.

No it has a girl, a nigger, and a dago starring in it.

What's a dago?

Racial slur for an Italian.

... he's guatemalan-american tho

You think anyone who uses a slur like "dago" cares about specifics?

No, it is racist slur for a Spaniard, which was then applied to Portugee and later Southern Italians who were noticeably "dirty" white. Northern Italians were considered normal white. In any case the proper racial slur for an Italian is a Wop. Dago is only applied to the Eyeties by ignorant racists, Dago is always for the Spaniards.

Language doesn't work that way. The origin meaning doesn't change its actual meaning if its shifted in common usage.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-12-26 16:45 (UTC) - Expand

If I understand correctly, Star Wars isn't something they object to the existence of, but it's not their thing. It's insufficiently pseudointellectual. They would probably dismiss it as 'for the masses'.

Well if Star Wars isn't real Sci fi either then what the hell IS real Sci fi?

Hard scifi. Star Wars has too much of a fantasy undertone for these type of people. Star Wars really is very cross-genre. That's actually one of the reasons I love it so much since I actually prefer fantasy to scifi.

And maybe that's why I took to SW so well, because I'm more of a fantasy fan, though it was one of my starter pieces of fiction too, since I was a young child when RotJ first came out.

philstar22 - 2015-12-26 06:13 (UTC) - Expand

mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com - 2015-12-26 06:44 (UTC) - Expand

Something they can use to sneer at the inferior people and SJWs with. Something with a white male lead, proving he is a Real Man[tm], just himself against the world and proving that only Real Men need to be leads of a film. It has to have a gloss of hard science on it, but not so much as they cannot understand it themselves, which can be used to intimidate the masses. It also has to be a blockbuster so they can claim the mass appeal and not niche genre label. It also has to be respectable and not something people take their kids to, because if a single child enjoys it then it means that it is a kid's film and they are terrified of enjoying something that might be seen as childish and not respectable.

The puppybase is very conflicted about what it wants out of Science Fiction. It has to cater for their need to have mass appeal without triggering their nerd cultural cringe, and also to be serious enough science fiction without being over their heads, and it has to cater to their obsession with Real Men being what they would call a Mary Sue character if they showed a woman being that resilient and ingenious. The Martian does that just fine.

I haven't seen The Martian but I have seen Puppy discussions and concur with your assessment. I've never heard the term "puppybase" before so thanks for that.

I understand their politics—I don't agree, mind you, but they're the opposite of mine so I can see where they're coming from—but their taste in literature has always befuddled me. They seem to dislike a lot of authors that I'd consider fairly traditional hard sci-fi or military sci-fi, like Scalzi or Leckie, in favour of this weird nostalgia for pulp that seems more along the lines of space opera or fantasy, while claiming that they want more hard sci-fi, and it did not make sense until I read your comment.

(Anonymous) - 2015-12-26 16:54 (UTC) - Expand

sabotabby - 2015-12-26 17:17 (UTC) - Expand

I was being half-sarcastic when I asked but this is actually pretty on point and probably the best summation of the movement I've read so thanks :P. I just figured the Martian had too many PoC and women in it for their taste.

(Anonymous) - 2015-12-26 13:18 (UTC) - Expand

Someone sounds salty.

+1
SWVII is little more than a rehash of the original movie and the script plays everything so safe nothing really caught me off guard. It's COMPETENT filmmaking for sure but... ehhhh.

The Martian was awesome.

I wouldn't go that far. It is awesome if you believe science fiction should not be fun or hopeful. It is a very bleak movie.

What is bleak? The Martian? What version of that movie did you see?

Uh...it's literally a movie about beating the odds through the power of teamwork? What more do you want?

The question is, how many awards would SWVII be able to go up for in things like costume, special effects, directing, etc, that The Martian will also go up for?