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15. [WARNING for sexual assault/rape]
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Edited 2016-01-01 23:54 (UTC)

As I understand, as someone who hates GoT, it wasn't that the scene was gratuitous, it was that it existed at all when it wasn't in the books. Sansa had already been torn down, so to speak, it was excessive to have her character go through this, too.

...which remains funny to me that people drew the line at this. The books themselves are ridiculously gratuitous, delighting in shock factor at every point and at times, a fantasy-genre Lolita. GRRM would totally have written that scene himself, in pornographic detail. So yeah, people pretending the books are somehow so much more respectable are really kidding themselves.

Name ONE rape scene in the books written in pornographic detail. Just one.

Consensual sex scenes, yeah. They're pretty graphic.

This. GRRM is nowhere near as graphic about sex scenes in general, never mind rape scenes as the series is.

Well, the scene happened. Just to someone else (and it was WAYYYYY worse). They changed it to Sansa because otherwise her character would be doing fuck all for the rest of time. It also makes it so they don't have to add ANOTHER character that they had not really set up a background for and would have been hard to make the audience care about.

Do you not understand WHY it happening to Sansa period is what some take issue to? There are plenty of ways to liven up her storyline without having her get raped on a nightly basis by Ramsay.

I'd also add that they knew as far back in Season 2 the storyline so they could have found a way to implement Jeyne Poole during Theon's siege on Winterfell, maybe give them a few scenes to establish a relationship between the two and then have her either kidnapped by the Boltons or used as a pawn by the Lannisters or something along those lines.

The scene happens in the book. It is one of the reasons Theon finally defies Ramsey. They killed two birds with one stone.

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(Anonymous) - 2016-01-02 00:33 (UTC) - Expand

The books themselves are ridiculously gratuitous, delighting in shock factor at every point and at times, a fantasy-genre Lolita. GRRM would totally have written that scene himself, in pornographic detail.

Cite a specific passage in the books where this actually happened, including page numbers, or shut the fuck up and stop pulling nonsense out of your arse.

The thing I hated about it was that the Sansa's rape became all about Theon.

I actually watched this specific ep's ending and you're quite right. The camera cuts away so we can see his manpain in all his glory as Sansa gets her dress ripped open.

So much this. It was so bizarre when that happened that I was too busy going WTF??? to be angry at first.

I agree completely. It's so frustrating how it has to be seen from a guy's POV.

It's funny that the persons above were mad about what happened to Sansa yet still wanted to see it in detail. 'Manpain'...

I've seen this complaint a lot but that's not how I interpreted the scene.

I saw it less as "let's not pay any attention to Sansa's pain and focus on Theon's" and more as "let's not focus on this in detail because it's horrifying, instead let's remind everyone that this is all asshole Theon's fault."

It's less that a rape happened but more that they changed Sansa's storyline and gave her a minor character's arc from the fifth book mainly for the purpose of Theon's character. I really hate to use SJW terms like 'manpain' but yeah they raped Sansa for Theon's manpain. That's basically what it is.

I looked up what The Mary Sue said about this scene, since this was when they stopped covering the show. They sort of dance around it in a way that doesn't lend itself to direct quotation, but the upshot is that after being set up to become a character who affects and guides the story, Sansa is once again put in a place where she has no effect and her story is entirely focused on another character (in this case, Theon.) Sansa had previously been in this exact position, so the scene felt redundant, and that meant TMS couldn't make any of the usual excuses for why it needed to be in the show.

Honestly, I disagree pretty strongly with a lot of what the TMS article says about rape in fiction. I have written and will continue to write rape, and I believe it can be used as effectively as torture, abuse, genocide, and anything else horrific that continues to happen in the world. But I don't have any argument against the specific point regarding this scene, and honestly, from what I've read it sounds like the show got even worse from that point on.

"These days, “good drama” seems to have become interchangeable with “shocking drama,” the more painful to watch the better. And although Game of Thrones has pulled off major shocks, most notably Ned Stark’s death and the Red Wedding, a really good drama needs to inflict that shock value on women. Nothing is more award worthy than a rape story, especially one where an emotionally broken male character can win his redemption by helping the victim. Showing the screams of a young girl burning to death while her father watches is a powerful way to transform him into a villain, and that’s good TV. And a woman forced to walk naked through the streets for seven minutes of unbroken TV time while a mob screams misogynistic abuse has the triple threat of being painful, shocking TV, being a vivid “critique of misogyny,” and providing the audience with full-frontal nudity."

Edited 2016-01-02 00:31 (UTC)

Skimming past all I saw was the warning and the top right corner and for a moment I thought this was a secret about someone sexually assaulting a bear.

That is all.

Now I'm combining that with the rumor that Leo DiCaprio gets raped by a bear in The Revenant (he doesn't, he just gets attacked) in my head and I'm imagining Leo going on a roaring rampage of revenge culminating in him raping and killing the bear. Which sounds pretty insane.

That's a dirty old joke: To become a man in [interchangeable known macho culture/country] our "hero" has to survive a test of manhood. He has to down a whole bottle of liquor in one go, he has to rape an unwilling/tough/etc. woman and singlehandedly skin a bear. The protagonist starts out okay with the liquor downing, but after spending a long time out searching for the woman, he returns mangled and bloody, with the words "And where ish the woman I'm shupposed to shkin?!"

ok I'm on mobile so I can't type up a big response, but the problems with this scene for a lot of people were that a, the circumstances leading to it felt contrived and it didn't make a whole lot of sense plot wise for this to happen to her, and b, in terms of character development, the ending of the previous season set up sansa with a big ~ empowerment moment after she went through a lot of abuse, and so go to from that to putting her in a similarly abusive situation was pretty crappy.

It was a huge wasted opportunity as well. We could have had an interesting Joffrey/Margaery dynamic with Ramsay and Sansa as opposed to making her a victim.

I kind of understand OP, I know the reasons fandom was upset at the scene but I still felt like the scene was not THAT bad. Like the instant Sansa took over that storyline I knew she was going to get raped, so I was expecting it, and it not being too graphic helped me deal with it.

I don't deal with rape in media that well either, but it terms of GOT the show (not the book) that was pretty tame.

same to all of this

I'm with you, OP. Oops?

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