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fandomsecrets2008-02-28 06:05 am
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2008-02-28 06:05 am
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Even "nice little moment they had during their road trip". To me any such scenario would get a very bitter taste because I know Sylar is using Mohinder to get to his next victims, and as soon as Mohinder finds out, he will be in mortal danger. Even if the fic is written strictly from Mohinder's POV and he only has the fondest thoughts of Sylar, are you really able to completely ignore who Sylar is and what he is doing?
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I suppose that I just have a different definition of fluff in relation to the Mylar pairing than other people do. I made it clear in my original post that I don't read or like the extremely WAFF Mylar fic, but there are certain instances that I've seen in fic that I can't point out here, or I'd be linking a number of fic to you, or I'd be listing a bunch of quotes from fic. So, I suppose that I have missed your point, and if you've missed mine, then... c'est la vie.
ETA:
Even if the fic is written strictly from Mohinder's POV and he only has the fondest thoughts of Sylar, are you really able to completely ignore who Sylar is and what he is doing?
What I've been trying to say is that - IMO - there's still fluff in that, in the sense that Mohinder is happy when he's thinking about Sylar, and, while I don't disregard the fact that Sylar is manipulating Mohinder and lying to him during the road trip, I also don't disregard how Mohinder might have felt about Sylar. If I hadn't seen the slightest bit of a shared, genuine connection between Mohinder and Sylar during Season 1, (e.g. the way that they'd pat each other on the shoulders, when they'd talked so openly about their feelings and insecurities to each other, how they each validated each other in some way, Sylar keeping Mohinder as his advisor in 5YG, etc.), then I probably wouldn't have ended up shipping them at all.
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To me "twisted" just about negates "fluff". I thought that was the norm...
I've often talked about how Mohinder is special to Sylar, but while this makes him sort of safer than most people, it's far from pleasant for him. It's creepy to have the psychopathic serial killer care for you. Especially if his idea of caring means that he will still kidnap and torture you, but he will do it with pleasure.
Whatever Sylar's feelings for Mohinder are, they are kind of complicated, and I think you'd have to ignore way too many aspects in order to get fluff from it. He obviously enjoys seeing him suffer, he likes pushing Mohinder towards his breaking point.
Chances are, Sylar's thoughts about Mohinder won't be... fluffy.
But whatever, I doubt we'll ever agree on this. I'm just glad that the show's creators write the kind of Mylar I like, multifaceted, hard to pin down, and always dangerous.
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Now this, I can agree with. I love that the writers can stay true to the characters, and I hope that they can continue exploring that relationship in the future. My whole philosophy is that pretty much anything can happen in fanfic and it can be executed well; however, in canon, there are rules set within the characters and the relationships, and I would be disheartened if Sylar and Mohinder suddenly became best friends, or if they ever have a gratuitous makeout scene.
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Eh, me neither, of course not. But I just don't see why you would ship Mylar BECAUSE of their complex relationship, but ship it in a way that removes the complexity, and only ever focuses on one aspect of their interaction. The fluff. The angst. The hypothetical sex. Why not write them like they are on the show with all aspects of their personalities together?
I guess Mohinder's thoughts about Sylar started out, well, they started out wary and doubtful, but he grew happier around him during the road trip. Until they came to the motel, where Sylar's strange behaviour creeped Mohinder out a little, and the next morning brought the definite end of all possibly comfort he'd come to feel around him. Sure, if you set a fic during the road trip before they arrive at the motel... but that would feel incomplete to me, I guess. It lacks something if it just cuts Mohinder's changing feelings off at a convenient point just so the fic can be labelled fluff. And since I know what happens next in the canon, I can't pretend it's nice that Mohinder feels happy around the guy, thereby walking into the trap of the man who will kill an innocent woman the next day, and torture Mohinder half to death three days later.
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But you are willing to disregard how this is the first major step to Mohinder being emotionally and physically hurt like no person ever should be or deserves to be, because if you disregard that it's so cute how Sylar cares about him awwwww and there should totally be fluff about it who gives a fuck how Mohinder feels about it!
Can't you just go ship Sylar with some OC instead of treating Mohinder's emotions about the whole situation like ... a bagatelle? If you saw the canon from his POV, there is no way in hell you could be okay with fluffy, happy Mylar. Your kind of reasoning is what makes me believe 98% of Mylar fans don't give two shits about Mohinder, and in turn it makes me hate 98% of the fandom for this pairing. Please don't ignore Mohinder's emotions for your porn and fluff fix. It's offensive.
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I didn't mean to give off the impression that I don't care about Mohinder's feelings. I wasn't even trying to imply that. What I was trying to say is, in that sort of flashback fic, it's interesting to read how Mohinder might have felt about Sylar, how he might have actually liked him as a person or as a friend, especially when those feelings are compared with the feelings Mohinder felt about "Zane" after he discovered his true identity. Just because their developing "friendship" - for lack of a better word - turned out to be a lie, doesn't mean that they never connected in a somewhat positive and genuine sense, unlike the other existing Sylar ships.
And with all due respect, I do care about Mohinder. I don't see him as some mindless hole for Sylar to fill, and I don't view him as "Sylar's twu love" or his BFF (well, except when I'm feeling particularly cracky). He's shown time and time again that he can one-up Sylar, and it's implied that Sylar views him as an equal, or a force to be reckoned with - to me, there's no way that any other character (canon or OC) could fill Mo's shoes, which is why I normally avoid fic like that, and that's why I don't ship, say, Sylaire, for example. My favorite kind of fic features angsty, in-character Mylar, but I'm not going to say that ANY kind of fluff is atrocious and should be banned, because that would be hipocritical of me - I've enjoyed reading plenty of good crackfic and AU fic out there that features a little or a lot of fluff.
I've cited instances in canon upthread where there are nice little moments between the guys, and if fic writers want to go off of those moments and explore them however they want to, I don't see what the problem with that is. I don't exclusively read PWP smut or death fic or crack/fluff fic for those two, so if enjoying different genres of Mylar fic makes me a bad shipper, then so be it. I like what I like, and I try not to knock people down for having their own perceptions of the ship.
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(Anonymous) 2008-02-29 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)But all my friends think I'm disgusting for shipping Brody/Claire. So what if he is a serial rapist, I want more fluff!