[ SECRET POST #3304 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3304 ⌋

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[Law & Order SVU]


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[Leonardo DiCaprio]


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(Penny Dreadful: Caliban/John Clare)


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[Star Wars]


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[Kumail Nanjiani, The X-Files]


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[Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem]


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[Love Live!]


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[Severus Snape and the Marauders]


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[Sherlock Holmes]


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[Making a Murderer, Dean Strang and Jerry Buting]


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[Colony]















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Comments

[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/ZHTpEp0.jpg
[Making a Murderer, Dean Strang and Jerry Buting]

[(Anonymous)]

But the guy probably did it. If you look at all the evidence (the film makers cut a lot), he looks very guilty.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a common misconception being put about by the then-DA, yes. But it's hard to believe that the murder happened the way the prosecution claimed it did. A woman gets her throat cut, but there's no blood evidence in the (very messy) bedroom at all? She gets shot in the head multiple times in the garage, but the only evidence is a bullet that only appears after multiple searches? Where's the brain splatter, shards of skull, etc.? Where's the additional blood that would undoubtedly be all over the floor and everything else in the garage?

Avery might be guilty. I think there was plenty of room for reasonable doubt, however, and there's no question the investigation was botched. I'm surprised by how many peopl watch the documentary and think that the main point is about Avery's guilt or innocence. It's not. It's about the flaws in our justice system.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Everyone seems to get caught up in the "did he or didn't he", and I guess that's not surprising, but the real story is the fact that law enforcement botched the case - and calling it "botched" is actually being generous.

Agreed with you that it is impossible for him to have killed her in the house or garage and have NO blood splatter and no physical evidence. The confession from the nephew was awful, and I've read that the Reid Technique for interrogations is not allowed in many other countries due to the number of false confessions you get when using it.

I think the guy may have done it, and he may not. I think it's more likely that another family member did it, as others have postulated. But I think the cops were so convinced that this was their man, that they planted evidence to make the charges stick and get a conviction. And THAT is the huge problem that the documentary is highlighting.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

I think that if Avery did it, there's virtually no way he killed her inside the house the way the cops are saying. They're claiming two different rooms where she was physically attacked, but there's no blood or DNA evidence that she'd ever set foot inside the bedroom or garage. What I think is that she was killed someplace else, and the body transported in her car (hence the blood/hair evidence inside her car) and her body burned on Avery property.

I think the cops found the car and the burn site, then decided to "help" along the investigation to nail a man they truly believed was guilty. I think they had such tunnel vision when it came to Avery that they didn't bother to conduct a proper investigation. How do you not even ASK for the alibis of her family members and roommate? But at the same time, you interrogate a teenager for hours until he manages to kinda sorta spit back a false confession... and not a very good one, at that. That's some bad police work right there.

It's clear that Avery's reputation isn't spotless and I'm not saying he's a good guy. But the cops can't just decide NOT to do their jobs and make certain they're putting the right man in jail. Not after what happened in Avery's previous unlawful incarceration. And this isn't even getting into what happened at the trial, good lord.

[philstar22]

I honestly don't know. He may have and he may have not. But the behavior of the prosecutors was abhorrent, the investigation was botched and he never should have been convicted. His guilt or innocence is not the point.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you ever heard of the case around the murder of Stephanie Crowe?

Basically they decided that her brother Micheal did it, based on his interests and the fact that he reacted in a certain way to it. Then they did all sorts of illegal shit trying to manipulate him into confessing. At some point it stopped being about finding the truth and more about trying to confirm their first assumption.

That's what this case kinda reminds me off.

[philstar22]

No I hadn't heard of that one. But I've heard of similar cases. It happens. Because prosecutors have decided that rather than being about the job, their job is about winning. No. The defense attorney's job is to represent their client. Your job is to represent the state, and the state's interest is in the truth. Maybe that's a conviction, maybe it isn't.

Ugh. I have so many thoughts on prosecutors in general and the whole culture. I wanted to be one for a long time until I realized I could never be a part of that and wasn't the type of person who could buck the system in the way that a good prosecutor should. It is a job. Someone has to do it. Some people do belong in prison. But the way it is done a lot of the time today is just so awful.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen this particular documentary (I really want to, but I don't have Netflix), so I can't comment on how this case was handled. But I've seen a lot of similar situations when watching other true crime stories. Even if I do believe the accused could've committed the crime in question, if they're found not guilty/there's a hung jury/etc., people will get so angry, and all I can think is, "Yeah, well, that's what you get when you fuck up an investigation and don't do your jobs properly." This isn't the sort of job where people can afford to make much, if any, mistakes.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that was my takeaway too. Even if he did it (and we don't know), that entire trial was so horribly put together that he shouldn't have been convicted.

If anything, the cops and the prosecution fucked up any chance to properly find out what REALLY happened with their overzealous and transgressive behavior.

[(Anonymous)]

Does he look guilty beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt?

[(Anonymous)]

I am so sick of any mention of this stupid series. Nobody realizes that the maker has deliberately twisted and omitted facts to tell their own biased story about this guy.

This case happened in my area. I've seen these people on the news all the time. Even our dipshit of a governor has had to say "don't believe what you see on Netflix." Repeated appeals have not turned up new evidence or any misconduct, but that's not stopping people from acting like this dramatized fiction is real.

[philstar22]

Uh, well, I'll agree that the show has twisted things and emphasized other things. But there still was clear failures in the investigation and clear prosecutor misconduct.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody realizes that the maker has deliberately twisted and omitted facts to tell their own biased story about this guy.

Everybody realizes this, you dumbass. It's been widely publicized.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yes, I've seen the "shocking" list of omitted facts and sorry, but the investigation still looks bungled and corrupt.

[(Anonymous)]

There are probably still people in West Memphis, Arkansas who believe that teenage Satanists killed those little boys, too.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, I knew this piece of shit propaganda show would do this.

They're scum. they are all scum. He's guilty as shit and this whole show just exists to try and win over public support.

[(Anonymous)]

The rule of law is perhaps more important than whether or not you think the dude is scum, nonny.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it exists to expose the fact that our justice system is broken. And it made that point very effectively, because it's irrelevant whether or not Avery did it. How the investigation was conducted (or not conducted as the case may be) and how the prosecution was handled was beyond the pale. If it can happen to "scum", it can happen to you. If you didn't grasp that about the documentary, then you missed the whole point.

[philstar22]

This so much. I hate it when people justify problems with the system by saying "well they were probably guilty anyway." It doesn't matter. The same problems can happen to someone who isn't at all guilty. The system itself is corrupt. The safeguards exist for a reason and we as a country believe that even the worst, most guilty person deserves their rights. That is set in the very constitution our country was founded on. The question of guilt is not the issue here.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually no, I listened to an interview with the filmmakers yesterday and *they* aren't sure if he's guilty or not. Their purpose was and is to expose the serious flaws in the justice system. My sister is a public defender in NYC and she can sure vouch for how fucked up the system is.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, those two guys were one bright spot in that grim series, pretty much everyone I know who watched it kinda fell in love with them. I completely get it.

[(Anonymous)]

Embarrassed to admit I went looking for slash with them on AO3...

[bio_obscura]

That this is apparently a thing makes me happy.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, get in line. Everybody loves Deanboat.