[ SECRET POST #3309 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3309 ⌋

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Comments

[ypsilon42]

I am not trying to excuse this kind of behavior and I am sorry if it sounded that way. I totally agree that it's transphobic and pretty much inexcusable. People who do stuff like that are assholes, no matter their religion or race.

But, I think it is also wrong to use this kind of transphobic behavior from individuals to judge an entire group of people. The anon I replied to claimed that this thing happening was somehow connected to the recent influx of refuegees in Germany and Europe, when in reality the offenders probably were not recent refugees but have been in Germany for some time. Also anon tried to use transphobia as a reason that muslims are scary, when the article does not even mention the religion of anyone. While, I admit it is pretty likely that Arabic speaking teenagers are muslim, one of the women also spoke Arabic (and is named Yasmine) and is by that logic also very likely muslim.

Of course their behaviour was transphobic and tbh it's not even unlikely that it was also religiously motivated, but I think it is pretty ridiculus to claim that the transphobia in our culture is mainly connected to Islam or even religion in general. Evidenced for example by the police in this story describing the women as "male transvestites". What I think is that transphobia is something that is sadly very prevalent in our society (as in European society) as a whole and that it is silly to pretend that Islam is a very big reason for that.

I hope you still see this anon, and that I better explained my stance on the matter.

[(Anonymous)]

No one is judging an entire group of people. However, when said group of people come from a culture where it is normal and acceptable to treat women as second class citizens, migrate, and continue that behaviour in their new home, targeting women for assault and rape because of their western clothes and mode of conducting their lives, then that will draw comment.

Right now there is a major campaign in most western countries to promote 'yes means yes', including such practices as constant verification by men that whatever attention they are paying to women is wanted.

Okay, fine. A bit bureaucratic, the way some people want selfies taken and forms signed and uploaded to the cloud, but that's not really the point. What is the point, is why aren't the migrant, largely muslim men coming to Europe being held to this same standard? Why are people including politicians and law enforcement officers making excuses for them and suggesting with various degrees of emphasis that WESTERN women modify their behaviour? Why is it only when the attacks are completely egregious (like the one at New Year's eve) is there some sort of statement from officials, and even then they seem to say a lot of nothing useful?

It's a troubling situation, with no easy solutions, but there it is.