[ SECRET POST #3310 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3310 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Burn Notice]


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03.
[Devil’s Rejects]


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04.
(Jennifer Lawrence)


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05.
[David Bowie]


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06.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation, Wesley Crusher]


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07.
[Mushishi - Shrine in the sea]


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08.
[William Daniels and Alan Rickman]


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09.
[Doctor Who]


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10.
[Rocky Horror Picture Show]


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11.
[Psych]


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12.
[Star Wars prequels, Twilight saga]
















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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/zeumT95.jpg
[David Bowie]

[(Anonymous)]

I understand some of the backlash about people grieving celebrity deaths, but honestly, anyone who'd say "but you didn't even know them!" is an ass. The implication that you can only feel sad about people you know personally is lacking in empathy as well as common sense.

[(Anonymous)]

Agree wholeheartedly with this.

[elaminator]

The implication that you can only feel sad about people you know personally is lacking in empathy as well as common sense.

100% agree with this.

It kind of confuses me too because people feel sad about characters all the time, and obviously there's no way to 'know them personally' (seeing as they aren't real), but it's still perfectly acceptable to be sad about a character death. (Which I agree with! I'm sad over character death all the time.)

So even if you only know a person's work (and how it affected you and your life), or their 'public persona', that's still enough to grow attached to. You can still mourn their loss because of what you know and saw, even if it isn't exactly the whole picture and their death isn't going to make a huge impact on your daily life.

[ketita]

I would argue that for some of those people, the difference is that you "truly" know the character, because of how you saw them in the series. The story allows you to get into their head and see the "real" them.
With an actor, however, you only know their persona.

Then again, I think that there are plenty of people are actually more understanding towards being sad that an actor died, because they're a real person, than feeling sad over a fictional character.

[elaminator]

the difference is that you "truly" know the character, because of how you saw them in the series. The story allows you to get into their head and see the "real" them

On some level I understand that, but at the same time some people make it sound like if you haven't met someone IRL that somehow your feelings about them aren't real. Since most of us feel very passionately about characters and we can't meet those characters, I find that argument silly.

Like, yes, I get that you might not know a celebrity in the same way as you know a character because with a lot of characters you know every thought that's going through their head, or at least you have a clearer picture of who they are 'deep down', but I also don't understand the line of thought that "You don't know this person to the depths of their soul, so you can't feel sad about them'.

I think that there are plenty of people are actually more understanding towards being sad that an actor died, because they're a real person, than feeling sad over a fictional character

Maybe! I see more people in fandom/online comment about the actor death thing, which again, confuses me seeing as so much of fandom idolizes celebrities, or at least grows fond of them over time.

[raspberryrain]

This isn't getting a lot of comments, so I'll just add that yes, you are obviously right.

[silverr]

*hugs* I understand completely. I felt the same, OP. I've been listening to his music quite a bit since he passed, and many of the songs still make me brim over with tears.

If you haven't seen it—and want something to show to people who "don't get it" or simply want some sharing/catharsis, I'd recommend looking up the various columns the AV Club did, especially What Did Bavid Bowie Mean to You?. (Don't be put off by the illo at the head of the article.) Many of those AV writers articulated things about Bowie very beautifully.

[silverr]

You're very welcome. They did quite a few good articles, but that one was the best, imo.

Bowie had a huge impact on me as a teenager in the 1970s, and while I've followed Eno's career more closely than Bowie's since 1980 or so, Bowie's death was a complete gut punch.

[(Anonymous)]

I can understand it. Particularly because there's a shitty corner of the internet that insists on painting him as a child molester who deserved to die. (Guess which corner??) They couldn't even wait until his body was cold. Vultures.

[(Anonymous)]

Plus, sleeping with teenaged groupies is statutary rape, not pedophilia/child molestation anyhow.

[(Anonymous)]

FAIL. Have a nice day, try again soon.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Pedophilia is being sexually attracted to prepubescent children. Rock groupies generally are 15 - 18. Fucking a minor of that age is statutory rape.

Find something else to be enraged about, m'kay?

You're wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

If they are 18, it's not statutory rape anywhere except Indonesia. Age of consent varies by country/region (in the US, by state) and for the majority of the world, it's 16 or under (and for the majority of US states (31) it's 16). So, it actually really depends where you are, if you want to be pedantic about it.

[ibbity]

I've never understood the idea that there's something unnatural about mourning the death of a person whose work touched your life, even if you didn't know them personally. You're mourning the loss of what they meant in your life, that doesn't have to be a personal relationship.

[dratinis]

Caitlyn Doughty posted a couple of things that I thought was brilliant in regards to mourning him: we have purer one-way relationships with celebrities, not spoiled by human complexity. Same thing. We don't have to hear them say difficult, hurtful things directed squarely at us.

There's also the fact that music for a lot of people can be incredibly healing (or at least a great escape). So really, anyone being the mourn police in regards to Bowie's passing can suck it.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel the same way OP. It's difficult for me to tell others how torn up his death made me. I didn't know him personally, but the impact his music has had on my life made his death personal to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get the whole, "What about these people/this person who died, do you care about them?" in those moments. It's like they can't comprehend the idea that you could find both deaths equally sad or something. Death is sad no matter who it happens to. Period. End of story.

Plus, something like a terrorist attack or people dying in a war zone or something, obviously that's sad and horrible, of course, but in those cases it's easy to feel totally helpless and feel like just "being sad" isn't enough, you know? Whereas an entertainer who made things that you liked passing away is a more immediate thing in some ways, so it makes sense that it might hit you harder as a result.

[(Anonymous)]

Glad to see solticisekf wisely stayed out of this thread.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm afraid I've gotten a bit too vocal on social media about my grieving over his passing. But so far my friends' response has been really kind -- a few folks even messaged me or approached me in person to express condolences, as if I really had lost a loved one. And it has given me the opportunity to connect with fellow Bowie fans and mourn together. They understand best of all how it feels.

Oddly enough, I had finished reading Simon Critchley's Bowie the same day Bowie died (though before I found out) and there was a passage there that I've kept coming back to. Critchley talks about how Bowie's music has provided a kind of "soundtrack to his life" and has accompanied some of the most important events and periods, resulting in his development of a deep emotional connection to the music. Then he points out that many Bowie fans have the exact same experience. (I know all kinds of bells were ringing for me when I read the passage.) But he doesn't use this shared experience to discount Bowie's role in our lives, but rather to affirm it, to affirm our relationship to him and his music. Another commenter up-thread said something about our relationship to celebrity being more pure and less fraught with human imperfections. That definitely has a lot to do with it. But also it's Bowie's acknowledgement of human flaws and embrace of individual human worth -- as in the call and response at the end of "Rock n Roll Suicide" when he sings:

You're not alone! Just turn on with me
and you're not alone! Let's turn on with me
and you're not alone! Let's turn on and be
not alone! Gimme your hands
'Cause you're wonderful -- Gimme your hands!



How can anybody really listening to those lyrics, that joyful and heartfelt delivery, not be moved nearly to tears?

Critchley also wrote a really excellent column for the New York Times after Bowie's death that I think will bring you some comfort. You can find it here. (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/11/nothing-remains-david-bowies-vision-of-love/)