[ SECRET POST #3317 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3317 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[D.Gray-man - Miranda Lotto]


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[The Thick of It]


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[Golden Kamui]


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(The Lost Boys)


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[Marble Hornets/troyhasacamera]


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[@midnight with Chris Hardwick]



















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the point was she was a monster because she couldn't have kids. She was conditioned and brainwashed to become the perfect assassin and stripped of her humanity, which included the option to be a mother. Maybe before her training Natasha wanted to be a parent but now she no longer has that choice. I think there's also something in the knowledge that you know you are damaged in an irreversible way. It took a long time as a child and teenager to accept the fact that I had a developmental disorder because I hated the idea that something was wrong with me and I couldn't be like other people. So yes, I understand why Natasha would call herself a monster.

[(Anonymous)]

So yes, I understand why Natasha would call herself a monster.

I totally agree with this, and thought it was a good way to develop/build on Natasha's character. I still thought the writing in this scene was horrendous, though. To me, it's a bit shocking that a sympathetic listener (Bruce included) would watch someone talk about their abuse and dehumanizing treatment while they were growing up, call themselves a monster (in specific reference to not being able to have kids anymore), and their reaction not being, "Jesus, aren't you being a little hard on yourself?"

To me, it makes perfect sense that Natasha is way way way harsh and unforgiving of herself. Other characters probably wouldn't be, and from a meta point of view (criticizing the writing as it interacts with the audience), leaving a line that potentially implies that the inability to have children (or willingly giving up that ability) is monstrous, which is an ACTUAL response people who choose not to have children get in real life, leaving that line hanging in the air unchallenged by any character gives the impression that it's "obvious" to the audience that not being able to have children is a thing "normal" people feel monstrous about. Which can be super alienating!

Most of the criticism I've seen is about that, not "AOU Natasha has feelings, eww! I thought she was a strong female character. How could you do this to her?" Some of the criticism is somewhere between the two ("So... when can we have a female character whose 'humanization struggle arc' doesn't involve pregnancy or motherhood? I thought Natasha could have been that character.").