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I was only pointing out that you said "the whole internet" and OP specified "fandom". I don't think any fandom has a statistically significant number of TERFs in it

I don't think any fandom has a statistically significant number of TERFs in it

You sweet, innocent summer child.

What fandom, in your view, has a statistically significant number of TERFs in it? And what are we talking about as "statistically significant"?

Anything in this case is statistically significant since we are comparing a single data point to an unknown population (of literal billions of possible points).

Fandom doesn't just mean popular TV and movie fandoms. It means being a football fan or a video game fan or ...idk a Magic The Gathering fan. And I will tell you right now that video game (and some comic) fandoms are the literal worst for TERFs and MRAs.

Remember, when you are considering fandom you have to also consider that people go to 4chan for fandom, not just LJ and tumblr.

name a fandom or your point is moot

GTA fandom, Zelda fandom (no, actually), Mass Effect fandom... oh god I don't even know where to begin with or end with video game fandoms when it comes to those kind of people on 4chan.

I've also seen them around in Avatar fandom (yuri pairings), seriously having arguments about why trans headcanons were disgusting and hurtful to the creators of the show.

Really, go visit /v/ for a few hours then come back with all of the regrets known to man. Or even read the comment section of The Escapist long enough to find a trans issues thread. They'll pop up, I promise.

dunno what you're smoking, but none of those have a ton of TERFs

Are Mass Effect fans who are bigots against trans people on 4chan also radical feminists?

As far as I've been able to tell, since they're from /pol/.

And that was the last time I went to /v/, which was years ago, and made me remember my rule about never going to 4chan for anything other than porn.

As far as I've been able to tell, since they're from /pol/.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I follow you here. The context of the statement makes it seem as though you're saying that people from /pol/ would be expected to be radical feminists? But that is clearly totally wrong and insane? Could you expand?

Okay, in context:

1. See a video game thread.
2. Check out game thread for reviews.
3. See people in comments getting into rage-inducing arguments over how game is not feminist because of the genderless beings in said game and arguing that blue aliens would be better if developers would "admit" they are lesbians.
4. See /pol/ images used as point/counterpoint.
5. Everyone in the thread continues this for 200+ comments.

Interpret that how you will, but seeing the same argument pop up on The Escapist message boards a month or so later leads me to believe that this wasn't an isolated incident of trolling. ....I mean, that and the fact that it seems to keep cropping up for whatever video game du jour might accidentally or purposefully have a reference to trans people in it.

I'm not too deep into Undertale fandom yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's also a thing there.

Well, a few points. First, I asked specifically about TERFs - not MRAs or transphobes. TERF is a much more specific thing. I would believe that there are many, many transphobes on 4chan. I strongly doubt that there are very many TERFs.

Second, I'm not sure that a single fan is a useful mark. What I understood the anon who started this conversation to be saying - and this might not be an accurate sense of 'statistically significant', but still - was whether the TERFs formed a notable part of the greater body of fandom, and the conversations people have about whatever work. Whether they're notable. And I think those are different things.

Third, I think 'fandom' is definitely a word that has a range of meanings. In this case, I'm not sure it's justified to talk about, for instance, all sports fans as part of the category. When I hear 'fandom' on F!S, my mind goes to a specific subculture with specific practices of enacting fandom. So for instance someone writing RPF about hockey is probably in 'fandom' in this specific sense; your average person watching a hockey game, probably not so much.

So, I mean. I agree there probably are some women's tennis fans out there who are TERFs, or whatever. But when it comes to people going on Tumblr or Twitter or here, and squeeing about things, or even going on 4chan and geeking out about things - in those contexts, is there any fandom where a notable part of the fandom is composed of TERFs?

Well, that's your problem. You seem to be suffering under the illusion that sports fans don't have fandom spaces and do very fan-specific things.

They do. They have memes, they cosplay, they get together to watch their events on streams, they have message boards, they debate the finer points of their fannish pursuits. And they do it pretty intelligently, too.

I was also surprised to learn this (not being a general sports fan myself) but a half-assed visit to internet places during the Olympics one year to try to find a decent stream really opened my eyes.

As for the whole "name a fandom where there are a lot of radicals" question, see my post above to the other anon.

I'm a huge sports fan. And I'm saying, there's a qualitative difference between how sports fans do fandom and how this sort of fandom space does fandom. It's not mutually exclusive - you can certainly be in both, and there are certainly people who are sports fans in the our-sort-of-fandom way - but there is a qualitative difference in the established fandom practices.

Well, sure, in some spaces more than others. Does that mean it should be stricken from being called a fandom, though?

I think you misread anon. They pointed out that some sports fans do do those fannish things. But not all of them do.

lol I probably did. I just woke up.

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