[ SECRET POST #3324 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3324 ⌋

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[Music video: Poets of the Fall, "Daze" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di7NMssrqsE)]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

But they aren't the exception. Literal nations of non-white people existed and interacted throughout the medieval period in Europe or the European area. Northern Africa was a huge religious and economic center. The Moors existed right in Spain. Societies the Mediterranean and West Asia made up the medieval era as much as anyone.

And women basically anywhere had loads more agency than Game of Thrones would have you believe. It's a skewed reality to suggest women were constantly put down, raped, and treated as possessions. Women inherited money and property, ran businesses, were masters of trades, could run estates. Could even, le gasp, consent to marriage on occasion. Am I suggesting the social status of women was identical to men? Well, the answer is complicated, but okay, let's just say no - the point is, it is naive and incorrect to say women had no rights and were just good for babies, baking bread and being raped.

[(Anonymous)]

They were a part of the medieval world but they were not fully integrated in every part of medieval society.

[(Anonymous)]

What? What are you talking about?

First, what the hell is "medieval society" and what does "being integrated in every part of it" mean? Do you have any idea what these terms mean?

[dratinis]

Maybe if we're talking specifically about Europe from the 5th to 15th century, that might the case. But if we go to other parts of the world, this isn't true. The two most prominent examples I can think of is the Mongolians and the Haudenosaunee.

I get that fantasy tends to have a very Western European flavor to it, but as much as people have traded with each other over the course of world history, I don't see why you can't have the occasional non-European pop up in a fantasy setting. I feel like a competent writer wouldn't have any trouble integrating them into the story in a way that didn't break the audience's suspension of disbelief.

[(Anonymous)]

There's nothing wrong with having them in there.

[(Anonymous)]

But the Moors literally lived right in the middle of Europe in the middle of the Medieval period. North Africa was a religious center, some of the most prominent clergy and philosophers literally came from that area. Eastern Europe, with Constantinople, Jerusalem, etc was extremely key to medieval Catholicism and Islam. The Arabs are an EXTREMELY important part of the medieval period. I mean, we've heard of the Crusades, right? Point is, non-white groups were major players and contributors to the period we call the Middle Ages, even if we limit ourselves geographically to just Europe. And the whole land mass is connected with its major societies. The Mongols, China, etc - there's a whole functioning interconnected world here and it is very hard to take a knife and chop off Europe from the rest of the world and say "we're only talking about this bit".

[(Anonymous)]

It's hard from a historical point of view - really, just about impossible if you have any kind of fidelity to the truth - but more or less easy from an artistic point of view.

This isn't even an ideological or a partisan point. Just that art is always picking and selecting and eliding and framing things - moments in times and places. If you're telling the story of a medieval village, or some backcountry feud, or something, the historical reality of that place is obviously hugely influenced by the broader European system, but the immediate reality in that village is the thing that you're depicting.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, sure, if you're writing a story about people living in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere. How many fantasy stories are about villages in the middle of nowhere, and not castles and royalty? Royalty should be especially involved in international affairs for obvious reasons. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that when we're talking about POC in medieval Europe and the fantasy inspired from it, we have something majorly skewed.

[dratinis]

I said "might" for pretty much all the reasons you stated, though.

There's no denying that the Moors were a huge force in Europe having settled in the Iberia peninsula for 700+ years. The point I was trying to make in replying to another anon is that women in Medieval Europe MIGHT NOT all have been integrated into society, but they sure were active, key players in others societies. If that's the case, why can't fantasy settings expand their scope when it comes to realism? There's no need to chop off Europe, or any other part of Eurasia, in order for a good writer to make their setting work.

[(Anonymous)]

Is Game of Thrones the only fantasy thing you have watched/read??

[(Anonymous)]

That's your best rebuttal, huh.