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I mentioned some of these points before buuut

The secret was pretty shitty worded, I hyperbole'd to be fun to read and fit without too much text. However, I don't think that them being teenagers or having isolated childhoods stops them from being manipulative or aromantic. Dirk, I think definitely can be a little manipulative, with his roundabout ways to make his friends stronger, but it's well-intended and it's obviously pushed by his own unreliable narrative; he sees himself as manipulative, says that he is manipulative and thus it's easy to read him as such. I also tend to think that teenagers are more manipulative than adults overall, empathy isn't fully developed until people hit 21, I think I've read somewhere.

And as for Jake, bless his heart

GT: Its fair to say i never came close to feeling as strongly about him as you.
GT: I envy you actually. Ive actually worried at times that i just wasnt capable of feeling that way about anyone.
GT: And maybe thats why i was just meant to be alone.

When I read this in canon my mind just went straight to "oh so he's aromantic" but reading it again, he could just be, yeah, isolated and self-hating. I fucking love Jake's whole character arc, it's one of my favorites in Homestuck, third only to Vriska's and Terezi's. And again being a teen is like, the part of your life when you figure that shit out. I was like straight, ace, bi, straight, bi as a teen and really set on those labels before finally figuring that I don't really care. So he could be dramatic, he could be aromatic, he could be ~going through a phrase~

And with this i don't mean to imply that all teens go through phrases with their sexualities. Some are def set on being straight, gay, queer whatever.

Jesus the amount of investment I'm putting down in chatlogs between fictional teenagers. i'd like to echo your statement of "shut up self"

Nice icon by the way! Dogs, another series I gotta re-read.

The secret was pretty shitty worded, I hyperbole'd to be fun to read and fit without too much text.

No worries about it!

Re: your other points. Ah. You got a point there. Living alone doesn't stop them from being themselves in a sense. But I also think that by living alone and not having anyone calling them out on some of their bullshit they developed some pretty "bad habits". And you're right about teenagers. I stopped to remember about my teenage years and I was such a lil shit (no wonder why some adults are ashamed of their teen years jfc, WHY DID NO ONE STOPPED ME FROM EMBARRASSING MYSELF!). And you are right, Dirk did come as manipulative in a "You don't know what's best for you! I know what's best for you! THE ROBOT!". But I also think that he had the mentality of "if it worked for me, it works for everyone". On the one hand, I can see that, but on the other hand him (and Roxy) I see them as a product of their time. Like how they grew up alone and they clung to the only person they had near (Roxy to Dirk, Dirk to Jake and to an extent, Jake to a defied version of his dead grandma) and that just went terribly wrong for everyone.

(And sorry if I came a little bit... mean? I just have a kneejerk reaction with the manipulative thing because I usually see the "Dirk was manipulative and abusive" thrown around tumblr (plus a group of shippers that are going around telling people that if they don't portray Dirk and Jake as an abusive relationship then they are abusive wtf) when, well we really don't know a lick of how the relationship really was, and like someone mentioned up there, Hussie tends to write relationships when they hook up and time skips them to see how they break up.)

Re: Jake

Oh wow, I actually DID read that as him having a break down and being like "bloobloo I don't deserve to be loved" kinda thing, but now that you pointed it out, yeah I can see that too. Specially since at the beginning he was pretty much leaning towards either Jane or Dirk (plus his thing for blue people and Aranea), I always read him as pansexual/doesntgiveafugsexual.

And with this i don't mean to imply that all teens go through phrases with their sexualities. Some are def set on being straight, gay, queer whatever.

Haha that's understandable. I went through this phase myself where wasn't sure why I didn't feel attracted to men, thought I was a lesbian, but wasn't attracted to woman either and wondered if I was a broken individual and discovered via the internet that asexuality was a thing. It was quite a ride.

Also Ditto on the chatlogs. :P But that's a fun way to explore characters!

Nice icon by the way! Dogs, another series I gotta re-read.

Ehe, thanks! I admit it's been a while since I've read the manga but I am pretty fond of this icon. Guess it's time for a re-read!

Okay, shutting up for real now.

Using my account that I found since no one else is reading this thread anyway and then I can follow it don't you think about shutting up.

Yeah I mean... I was a lonely ass teenager as well though nowhere near their standards and I can still tell I'm kinda behind in social interactions - honestly it's a goddamn MiRaClE they're not more fucked up than they are. I mean Dirk and Roxy has literally never touched another human being in their entire lives. Holy shit how are they super competent and awesome and not flinging their shit at people.

Tumblr has definitely traumatized me too - read "not meant to imply" - and I don't even post or reblog shit I'm just kind of there, drunkenly nodding along as every semi-famous guy ever is suddenly a piece of shite. Dirk, abusive though... Honestly, it kind of scares me how the word abusive gets thrown around there, because it sort of... Loses it meaning. Never seen Dirk being called abusive but holy shit have they ever been in relationships? Dirk is manipulative but he isn't even manipulative for his own benefit he genuinely wants to help his friends jesus. I almost wish he was a worse person in canon than he is; Hussie has his way with balancing good and bad traits in people.

Yeah... To be honest, I have no idea how being aromantic even works. Asexual, I can get, but don't really understand the mechanics of being aromantic, mainly 'cause "romance" isn't an urge in the same sense as being sexual - like, I get what it means, but I can't imagine how it'd feel or work... bluh. Also, I had completely forgotten about his crush on Aranea.

Ah yeah thanks god for the internet. I still remember elementary school back when we actually went and looked shit up in physical encyclopedias (can't believe I spelled that right at first try). God.

and to finish off a poem tumblr just threw at my face, from http://evroginapoetry.tumblr.com/:

Maybe, I’m meant to be alone.
To simply observe love from a distance,
so I don’t taint the idea of it.
Maybe, I was made to love the idea of love.

OK.

They grew up as really broken kids. Like holy shit, Roxy ended up being an alcoholic because she wanted to feel closer to mom!Rose and Dirk ended up building Robots/his own evil clone so he wouldn't feel lonely and his first contact with a romantic partner ends in a drunk-on-candy party where they sadly broke up. My life as a teen was a walk in the park compared to them and I really end up feeling bad for them.

And oh yes. I've seen some shit there. There's this called 'good DirkJake squad' (okay I don't know if that's their name, but it really fits them) who go around telling people that the correct way to ship DirkJake is if Dirk is abusive and Jake is a giant woobie. Any other representation is WRONG and you are WRONG for shipping them that way. I wish I was even kidding but I've seen them go against artist who ended up deleting and people who have been in actual abusive relationships calling them out on it. Like, Jesus Christ untwist your panties. This is like going back to the livejournal days when Warriors for Innocence started their crusade and journals where being deleted left and right. Funny enough that was the time when people started moving to tumblr. Oh the irony.

And... well me neither. I mean, if someone identifies and feels that way that's cool, but it's not something I understand and that's okay. We're all different and yadda yadda.

Also, I had completely forgotten about his crush on Aranea.
Honestly I only remembered because someone posted an icon with her face in it. Haha. :P

Ah yeah thanks god for the internet. I still remember elementary school back when we actually went and looked shit up in physical encyclopedias (can't believe I spelled that right at first try). God.

OH GOD NOW I DO FEEL OLD. *HOLDS HEAD IN HANDS* Thank God for the internet.

And that's a nice poem.

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