[ SECRET POST #3328 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3328 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt/
Except a reminder is unnecessary when people are talking about why they did that exact thing in the first place and that's the context where most of those "friendly reminders" happen.

OTOH most of those "let's talk about their motivations" (which is what I mentioned) are mostly an attempt of nuanced discussion instead of just bashing a character.

Those "if you can't sympathize with X villain, you don't understand the character " are something completely different.

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ayrt

Late response is late, but this whole thread started out of a post that people are tired of having to qualify that they know a character is "bad" every time they want to discuss him/her in a positive way. I can understand that in a self-started positive discussion about the character, but when someone's injecting themselves into a non-positive discussion about the character's actions, where it's kind of a given that most people involved are aware of the character's motivations but don't feel those motives are enough of a mitigating factor to outweigh the bad deeds themselves -- and that someone is presenting those motives as if they ARE, or should be enough of a mitigating factor...you don't see why the qualifier might be necessary?

Maybe it's unfair, but that sort of thing doesn't happen in a vacuum. You might feel it's unnecessary to remind people in a positive discussion about the character's motives that the character has committed terrible acts, but I've seen enough of those positive discussions go on and on about the mitigating and/or woobie (sorry, I don't know how else to put it) factors involved that the acts themselves are either all but forgotten or treated as a "quirky" side-effect of the character's pain.

They certainly don't carry nearly the weight they do in negative discussions about those acts. There's not a whole lot more nuance than there is in negative discussion. Which is cool, that's the point of positive discussions - you know the character's not perfect, but you're not there to dwell on the things you disapprove of in them, you're there for the positivity. Great. But surely you can appreciate that those who aren't nearly as sympathetic to the character are going to wonder if that's the contextual outlook you're bringing into the negative discussion, and be suspicious.