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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-02-14 04:08 pm

[ SECRET POST #3329 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3329 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2016-02-14 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
seeing other people as sex objects is inherently immoral. I know you're a man and will have a problem hearing this, but you are describing objectification. This is a bad thing.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-14 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

Except for the attacking him for being a guy thing. that'snot what we need more of.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-15 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
I disagree.

Treating other people as sex objects is inherently immoral. See people however you like, so long as you don't act upon those thoughts in a way that makes them uncomfortable.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-15 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Like, how racism is fine as long as you only think "I hate niggers" instead of going out and murdering black people? Oh, wait, no that still makes you a morally valueless person.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-15 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Uh, no, it's more like the difference between thinking "oh hey, that guy's black" and going up to a guy and going "LOL UR BLACK DO U HAVE A BIG COCK OH ALSO PLZ RAP FOR MY ENTERTAINMENT"

(Anonymous) 2016-02-15 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
I agree thinking that doesn't make you a good person. But again, it does not hurt real people if you do nothing to act upon those thoughts or make life worse for those people.

To use your metaphor, I'm someone who doesn't have a problem until your moral value starts going into negatives i.e. you start acting upon your isms.

[personal profile] herpymcderp 2016-02-15 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Read the whole comment. I'm not. Objectification is when you stop seeing a person as a complex being and only as an object for sex.

I'm specifically saying don't do that. I'm specifically saying that wanting to see something in a sexual light isn't bad as long as you realize that's not the only component to the thing you sexualize.

If nothing in the world was ever sexualized, we wouldn't have... half of fashion, art, music... Women would probably have breasts that were still like chimpanzees and other primates (ie. flat unless lactating). We might not have hair on our heads or faces (according to some theories of sexual selection).

It is not a bad thing, and my masculinity has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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[personal profile] grausam 2016-02-15 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
but we see other people as objects, aka as a specific function all the time?
professionally we see people all the time as their job function.

if you acknowledge that they have other values and personhood (like he said) there's nothing immoral about "using" people.

exploitation and power imbalance are the problems.

(Anonymous) 2016-02-15 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Sex objects =/= sexy people.

Seeing someone as a person who has many qualities, including sexiness, is not the same thing as seeing someone as a thing that has no qualities except sexiness.
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[personal profile] blitzwing 2016-02-15 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
seeing other people as sex objects is inherently immoral

I'd like to see you prove that.
Edited 2016-02-15 02:01 (UTC)