[ SECRET POST #3332 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3332 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
(David Bowie)


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03.
(Great British Bake Off for Sports Relief, Ed Balls)


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04.
[Pokemon]


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05.
[Star Wars: TFA]


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06.
[Damian Lewis, Dick Winters, Band Of Brothers]


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07.
[Daughter of the Lilies]


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08.
[David Eddings]


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09.
[Sengoku Basara]


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10.
[JJBA]


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11.
[Men In Black I, II, III]
















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 022 secrets from Secret Submission Post #476.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Stop reading older series if their characterizations and values bother you so much. The series' were written in the 1980s. That the female characetrs had their own personalities and got to do stuff instead of being delicate damsels in distress was pretty damn great at the time.

That's probably my biggest problem with Tumblr's SJWs, to be honest. You lot are utterly incapable of seeing things through another perspective, whether it's time period, country, culture or something else. You see everyting fromt he point of view of a 2016 teenaged American.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, you can realize that something was a product of its time and still take satisfaction from sporking it. Not everything is a vast SJW tumblrina conspiracy that needs to be chased off your lawn.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh lawdy, the 1980s! Dark times when all women existed to do was make babies and swoon.

Sword and Sorceress was being published in the 1980s. Anne McCaffrey's female-led Pern books were in the 1970s. The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe was in the 50s. The Wizard of Oz was published in 1900. All of those had women with their own personalities and who got to do stuff. Maybe they weren't perfect, but that's a pretty darn low bar!

You anti-SJW refuse to look at any sort of history and just shrug and make excuses for bad behavior. He couldn't help being sexist! It was just The Dark Ages, the 1980s. No one had ever written wimmenz before! How was he supposed to know they were people?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Interesting you cite the Pern books there... as much as I love the series, I do have issues with how the women are portrayed after their first book appearance. They generally turn into bitches or wet rags. With the exception of Moreta (for obvious reasons).

[(Anonymous)]

NA
Sadly, I have to agree. I found several women very grating. The only thing I would add, however, is that all the characters became very one-dimensional as the books came along. Groghe and some of the original lord holders were fairly nuanced in the first books. But then everyone had to be divided into pro-Bendon and anti-Bendon where those who weren't for Bendon were basically cookie-cutter villains. And, of course, Robinton was a saint.

It's just sad that the one-dimensional characterization for people like Lessa was to be such a bitch. (I don't like to use that term but she really was by the end. She was so unreasonably petty and angry.)

[(Anonymous)]

Anon from before

The Pern books aren't perfect by any means, but I was mostly trying to point out that "female characters who do stuff" is a really, really low bar. Eddings having flat annoying characters wasn't groundbreaking for the time.

If we were talking the 1880s I'd be more forgiving, but I was alive in the 80s, it wasn't exactly a cesspit of women-as-cattle even in just fantasy books.

[(Anonymous)]

*cough* I'm not sure the Chronicles of Narnia are great examples, tbh. Lewis was a product of his time as well, and his attitudes about women were, uh, a little old fashioned. All that stuff about how Susan can't return to Narnia because *grasp* she's committed the ultimate sin of growing up! And then the nonsense about “Battles are ugly when women fight”. Yeah, battles are ugly, period. Then there's the shaming of Aravis in A Horse and His Boy which is one of the most WTF books in the whole series.