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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-02-21 03:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #3336 ]


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Re: Feminism, but not like that

(Anonymous) 2016-02-22 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
The major red flags:

- misandry

- sex negativity

- victim mentality

I'm a Christina Hoff Sommers-style feminist, though, so I think most of FS is pretty radical. I get called an MRA here quite a bit.

Re: Feminism, but not like that

(Anonymous) 2016-02-22 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Who is Christina Hoff Sommers?

And what do you mean by sex negativity? Are you talking about calling het sex rape? Or are you talking about judging women who are sexually active? Because I think both of those are bad. But I also think extreme sex positivism to the point where the person judges women who aren't sexually active and isn't willing to talk about the sexism in the porn industry or in the way women are sexualized in media (and women aren't).

Re: Feminism, but not like that

(Anonymous) 2016-02-22 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
Christina Hoff Sommers is a former philosophy professor and persona non grata in feminist circles due to her adherence to equity feminism as opposed to gender feminism. She talks about this stance in her 1995 book Who Stole Feminism? She's frequently villainized by feminists, banned from speaking at universities, etc. due to her views. She just spoke alongside Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of Minnesota to provide a feminist point of view because everyone in the Women's Studies department refused to debate him.

By the way, I'd add that to the list of red flags: refusing to engage in discourse with those who do not share your opinion or needing a safe space when confronted with dissenting ideas.

extreme sex positivism to the point where the person judges women who aren't sexually active

I see nothing positive about judging other women on the basis of their sexuality.

isn't willing to talk about the sexism in the porn industry or in the way women are sexualized in media (and women aren't)

Yes, this is the area that gets tricky for me. There are many women who enjoy porn and many women who enjoy sexualized and/or objectifying portrayals of women. Feminism can be guilt-trippy about that.

Re: Feminism, but not like that

(Anonymous) 2016-02-22 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
I think feminism sometimes struggles with criticizing cultural trends without criticizing the choices of individual women. It was (and still often is) sexist that women were supposed to be housewives. It isn't sexist when an individual woman chooses to be one. And I think we can criticize objectification of women while at the same time allow individual women to like what they like.