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⌈ Secret Post #3336 ⌋

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Comments

[blitzwing]

So when you said "biological existentialism" what you meant was "gender essentialism". I really don't know if I was supposed to pick up on that since the former term is one I've actually never heard."

It's a self-explanatory term, especially when used in the context of radfems, who base their arguments on biological differences. I don't really see the need to make a distinction between radfems and TERFs, because from what I've seen of radfem idealogy, it's transphobic in its basis whether they embrace the term trans-exclusionary or not.

Yes...can you give examples [of intersectional feminism], please?

From Wikipedia: "Intersectionality holds that the classical conceptualizations of oppression within society—such as racism, sexism, classism, ableism, biphobia, homophobia, transphobia, and belief-based bigotry—do not act independently of each other. Instead, these forms of oppression interrelate, creating a system of oppression that reflects the "intersection" of multiple forms of discrimination."

Ergo you have intersectional feminists, who understand that you cannot tackle sexism/gender inequality and defeat it separately: you have to attack oppression on all fronts.

If you categorically decide to ignore the oppression certain groups face, you're not an intersectional feminist. Radfems blatantly reject fighting transphobic oppression, so they're hardly intersectional feminists, are they?

[diet_poison]

Ok, I'm really not sure we're on the same page. Let me back up a sec.

Above you said radfems are categorically distinct from intersectional feminists, with which I partly disagree - there are some ideological distinctions but there is also an ideological spectrum, which is why I think the term "extremist" applies to radfems in comparison to intersectional feminists.

Then you made a claim: "An extremist intersectional feminist would be one with extremist views based on intersectional feminism's tenets."

To clarify: I'm asking for examples of what you call "extremists intersectional feminists", not examples of intersectional feminism in general. How would those views, as opposed to the views of feminism in general (e.g. gender equality) be taken to an extreme in a way that's distinct from the beliefs of radfems?

[blitzwing]

This is gonna be long, skip it you want. I don't mind agreeing to disagree at all. (Sorry this response is late, but I wanted a while to think on this).

Above you said radfems are categorically distinct from intersectional feminists, with which I partly disagree - there are some ideological distinctions but there is also an ideological spectrum, which is why I think the term "extremist" applies to radfems in comparison to intersectional feminists.


I don't think radfems are just an extreme version of intersectional feminists though--radfems aren't just inter!feminists'views taken to extremes. They don't have really have the same views in the first place. Intersectional feminists are much more rooted in privilege theory and similar sociological concepts as an explanation for inequality, whereas radfems look to biology.

Both believing misogyny is wrong isn't really enough to unify them to me. Egalitarians and humanists believe misogyny is wrong but that doesn't make them feminists. Just like religious fundies believe in biological essentialism, but that doesn't make them radfems-or make radfems religions fundies.

A Muslim and a Christian both believe in one god and an afterlife, but they're not just casual/extreme versions of the other, despite both being in the same group (monotheist religions). [Sorry if that's a bad analogy.]

I'm asking for examples of what you call "extremists intersectional feminists"

Basically using intersectional feminists ideas to justify extreme actions. For instance, the harassment/bullying of Zamii until she attempted suicide, could be seen as an extremist action--and it was justified by some because she allegedly perpetuated bigotry.

Likewise, the bomb threats that were made against Gamergate meetups would be another example of an action done by extremists, if it were done by intersectional feminists.