[ SECRET POST #426 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #426 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 67 secrets from Secret Submission Post #061.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] too big.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

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[velshtein]

I think both are disturbing but people do seem to like it in fiction. And most of them probably wouldn't like to be raped in real life. They're definitely feeding the imaginations of actual rapists and such but whether or not they want to take responsibility for that is up to the individual.

Re: 32

[cyanglow]

They're definitely feeding the imaginations of actual rapists

Wait. What? Are you seriously suggesting that REAL rapists go out and attack REAL people because they read some bad fanfiction on the internet?

(For the record, I don't like rape fic, so I don't read it.)

Re: 32

[velshtein]

I mean, violent movies and stuff can fuel violent people's actions. The same with rape fiction and other kinds of pornography. I'm not saying that fiction is the sole reason that people do horrible things to each other. People need to know the difference between fiction and reality and definitely are responsible for their own actions.

But it does affect some people. That's all I'm saying.

Re: 32

[cyanglow]

I understand what you're saying, and I agree that some forms of entertainment can be a contributing factor with unstable individuals. I guess what surprised me was putting fanfic on the same level as viewing violent pornography (in-prison studies have shown the latter to be potentially harmful) but unless you're IN fandom, many people don't even know fanfic exists.

Plus there are sick people out there all over the world. If every writer or artist has to put a disclaimer ("Don't try this at home") on everything, that could get a little ridiculous.

Re: 32

[velshtein]

It does sound weird to be sticking fanfiction and violent pornos together. I think it's because most people are more affected by something they can visually see, instead of just reading about.

Like:

reading about violent rape < watching a movie about violent rape < actually seeing someone get violently raped

But people are different so it's not all the same. XD

Re: 32

[cyanglow]

Yes, there are certainly varying degrees. And honestly, I doubt many of the truly disturbed individuals would bother wading through someone's badly-spelled Sailor Moon rapefic, when there are web sites offering video of real-person violent porn. I'm much more concerned about real people being harmed (non-consensually) than some fairy-princess/warrior-vampire/zombie-cyborg who never really existed. And if someone thinks they DO exist, they're already in need of professional help.

Re: 32

[allira-dream.livejournal.com]

... okay, I'm sorry but that last part? MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

By your standards, the woman wearing a skirt? Is waiting to be felt up or raped, or that if someone writes about murder, obviously they should be condoned as accomplices. Let's NEVER AGAIN post pictures of dogs and cats or animals: there are people who fuck animals. In fact, let's just never again post a picture of anything ever, we might be feeding the obsession of a sexual deviant.

It's FICTION. Why do I write it incest and non-con? Because I'm intrigued by the power play and the fucked up minds of some of the people I write, because I want to explore what would happen, because IT'S MY WAY TO COPE, sometimes, because I want to understand things. And sometimes? It's just because I bloody well want to write about something fucked up. Incest? Sometimes it's out of loyalty and sometimes because of the fucked-upness and then most of the times it's a mix of both.

Re: 32

[velshtein]

I mean, violent movies and stuff can fuel violent people's actions. The same with rape fiction and other kinds of pornography. I'm not saying that fiction is the sole reason that people do horrible things to each other. People need to know the difference between fiction and reality and definitely are responsible for their own actions.

But it does affect some people. That's all I'm saying.

Re: 32

[lady-ganesh.livejournal.com]

So if it wasn't for rape porn, those people wouldn't rape? Really?

Re: 32

[velshtein]

No, because it's not the only reason.

Re: 32

[lady-ganesh.livejournal.com]

Thank you. Because your argument was not really saying that.

Re: 32

[velshtein]

Sorry for not being clear enough. :)

Re: 32

[lady-ganesh.livejournal.com]

It's okay! When you're heading into the wank swamp, it's always wisest to double-check. :D

Re: 32

[velshtein]

Oh and about that woman wearing a skirt thing: Do I think she could attract more perverts? Yes. Do I think that a sicko could be turned on by her? Yes. If she gets raped or molested, is that her fault? No. It's the rapist's responsibility to make a choice to rape her or not, whether or not he's turned on or not.

Re: 32

[(Anonymous)]

Actually (and I'm not going to provide sources, 'cuz I'm lazy, but I believe I first read about this on one of the blogs associated with the NYT), studies have been done that find a correlation between violent movies and porn and a lower incidence of violent crime, including rape.

The rationale is that the people who would be inclined to commit rape and other violent crimes are content to go to the movies/stay at home and watch their fantasies play out on screen. People don't tend to read rapefic and think "Hey, that's a great idea, I'll go out and do that!" They tend to read rapefic and get off on it, so they read more rapefic- all the satisfaction, without having to leave the house.

Also- and this isn't entirely directed at you, since lots of people throw the phrase around- of course they wouldn't want to be raped! It's not rape if you want it. *throws arms up in the air in frustration, chews on things* </ semantics> That said, a lot of people have rape fantasies where they're the victim; it's a very common kink, honestly.

Re: 32

[velshtein]

Oh that's totally true for many people. I just meant it affects some people in a negative way.

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[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

They're definitely feeding the imaginations of actual rapists and such but whether or not they want to take responsibility for that is up to the individual.

I can't even take an opinion like this seriously. I write non-con fic and feel no sense of regret over it. Sorry. It's not my fault if disturbed individuals choose to rape people. If a fan fic can push someone over the edge, that person's grasp on sanity was tenuous at best.

Re: 32

[velshtein]

Wow. That's why I said it was up to the individual. I'm not telling you to feel guilty if you don't want to. I'm saying that there are people that exist, obviously not mentally healthy folks, that respond to rape fiction in real life actions. Not everyone.

Re: 32

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

There is judgment call in your statement that is irking me. You are saying that writers of non-con bear some responsibility in the actions of rapists, which I find ludicrous. The 'it's your choice to feel responsible for what you're doing' just makes it more ridiculous. Do you really think some random fan fic writer bears responsibility in a rape (and how many rapists read fan fic anyway)?

Re: 32

[velshtein]

I guess it's more of a personal issue with me. But as a example, if I wrote a fantastic novel about how to break in and steal something from this super awesome bank vault and then someone actually did what I wrote about and stole stuff, I would feel responsible for that. It wouldn't be my fault since I wasn't the one that robbed the place, but I would feel at least a partial sense of guilt.

And while writing a novel about anything isn't inherently wrong in itself, it would be up to myself whether I would continue writing about such things.

Re: 32

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

Then basically any fantasy novel/fic/etc. can cause people to commit crime, certain behaviors, etc. So the writers of crime dramas bear responsibility in gang violence, rape, & murder? Writers/producers of shows showing sexually active teens are responsible for teens having sex, getting pregnant, etc? This line of reasoning takes too much responsibility away from the individuals making the actual choices in their own behaviors.

If you take various forms of entertainment away, the violence, crimes, etc. won't go away. Human beings committed acts of violence against each other before novels, television, fan fic, etc. was invented. I'd rather put the blame where it should go instead of trying to lay some of it at the feet of people who are producing entertainment, especially things like fan fic which exist in worlds that have little to do with reality.

*butting in*

[cyanglow]

Thank you, and well-said. I was trying to come up with a way of explaining that the author of "Lolita" is not responsible for every adult/underaged sexual act done by people who have read the book. If the reader has a problem distinguishing between fiction and reality, it is the reader's problem, not the writers of said fiction.

*stifles rant on religion and literary interpretations and influences as it is WAY tl;dr and off-topic*

Re: *butting in*

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

I'm surprisingly coherent today. :) This kind of thinking irritates me beyond end - it's kind of a sore spot with me. Parents blame music for their teens' actions, the movie the Matrix was blamed by some for Columbine - this kind of scapegoating just irks me. If this is the case, then people aren't culpable for what they do, which is a concept that I can't accept. Someone has to be unstable to be influenced by a work of fantasy to do anything. And if a disturbed individual is influenced by a form of entertainment, it's not the fault of the person producing it! But I've never even heard someone blame fan fic for crime before today. I just refuse to accept that. Next thing you know, they'll be putting a Parental Advisory warning on FF.net :O

Re: 32

[velshtein]

It's not true for most people. Most people don't do things in real life based on fiction. But some do. Some people are intensely affected by fiction. It's up to the creator whether or not they want to feel responsible for the actions of a few.

Re: 32

[arthal.livejournal.com]

lol. Somehow I'm not expecting a rise in pretty boys raping other pretty boys until they enjoy it, and them making them fall in love with them.