[ SECRET POST #426 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #426 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 67 secrets from Secret Submission Post #061.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] too big.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: 32

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

They're definitely feeding the imaginations of actual rapists and such but whether or not they want to take responsibility for that is up to the individual.

I can't even take an opinion like this seriously. I write non-con fic and feel no sense of regret over it. Sorry. It's not my fault if disturbed individuals choose to rape people. If a fan fic can push someone over the edge, that person's grasp on sanity was tenuous at best.

Re: 32

[velshtein]

Wow. That's why I said it was up to the individual. I'm not telling you to feel guilty if you don't want to. I'm saying that there are people that exist, obviously not mentally healthy folks, that respond to rape fiction in real life actions. Not everyone.

Re: 32

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

There is judgment call in your statement that is irking me. You are saying that writers of non-con bear some responsibility in the actions of rapists, which I find ludicrous. The 'it's your choice to feel responsible for what you're doing' just makes it more ridiculous. Do you really think some random fan fic writer bears responsibility in a rape (and how many rapists read fan fic anyway)?

Re: 32

[velshtein]

I guess it's more of a personal issue with me. But as a example, if I wrote a fantastic novel about how to break in and steal something from this super awesome bank vault and then someone actually did what I wrote about and stole stuff, I would feel responsible for that. It wouldn't be my fault since I wasn't the one that robbed the place, but I would feel at least a partial sense of guilt.

And while writing a novel about anything isn't inherently wrong in itself, it would be up to myself whether I would continue writing about such things.

Re: 32

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

Then basically any fantasy novel/fic/etc. can cause people to commit crime, certain behaviors, etc. So the writers of crime dramas bear responsibility in gang violence, rape, & murder? Writers/producers of shows showing sexually active teens are responsible for teens having sex, getting pregnant, etc? This line of reasoning takes too much responsibility away from the individuals making the actual choices in their own behaviors.

If you take various forms of entertainment away, the violence, crimes, etc. won't go away. Human beings committed acts of violence against each other before novels, television, fan fic, etc. was invented. I'd rather put the blame where it should go instead of trying to lay some of it at the feet of people who are producing entertainment, especially things like fan fic which exist in worlds that have little to do with reality.

*butting in*

[cyanglow]

Thank you, and well-said. I was trying to come up with a way of explaining that the author of "Lolita" is not responsible for every adult/underaged sexual act done by people who have read the book. If the reader has a problem distinguishing between fiction and reality, it is the reader's problem, not the writers of said fiction.

*stifles rant on religion and literary interpretations and influences as it is WAY tl;dr and off-topic*

Re: *butting in*

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

I'm surprisingly coherent today. :) This kind of thinking irritates me beyond end - it's kind of a sore spot with me. Parents blame music for their teens' actions, the movie the Matrix was blamed by some for Columbine - this kind of scapegoating just irks me. If this is the case, then people aren't culpable for what they do, which is a concept that I can't accept. Someone has to be unstable to be influenced by a work of fantasy to do anything. And if a disturbed individual is influenced by a form of entertainment, it's not the fault of the person producing it! But I've never even heard someone blame fan fic for crime before today. I just refuse to accept that. Next thing you know, they'll be putting a Parental Advisory warning on FF.net :O

Re: *butting in*

[cyanglow]

It's so American, to want to shift responsibility and the blame away from the person who is truly responsible. It frustrates me to no end. Personal responsibility is something I find very important, but there is such a thing as taking it way too far. Sort of like being mad at someone and wishing they'd get hit by a truck, then feeling terrible when they are actually hit by a truck. As long as you were not the one driving the truck, and you didn't shove that person in front of it, it is not your fault they were hit.

Re: 32

[velshtein]

It's not true for most people. Most people don't do things in real life based on fiction. But some do. Some people are intensely affected by fiction. It's up to the creator whether or not they want to feel responsible for the actions of a few.

Re: 32

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

I just don't understand why you think a fan fic writer should feel guilty (and before you deny it, it is implied that you think this with your response of "well I'd feel responsible"), You say it's up to the individual, but there is a judgment call about those that don't that's implied. I doubt we're ever going to see eye to eye on this. I'm never going to understand a mindset like this that thinks entertainers/writers should feel guilty on their choices of expression, so I'm just going to stop there.

Re: 32

[velshtein]

I totally agree with the different mindsets thing. And I don't really see how it matters whether I believe people should feel guilty or not, in the first place. It's how I would judge myself. There's no reason for other people to feel guilty if they don't believe they have a reason too.

Re: 32

[flowerofsin.livejournal.com]

And I don't really see how it matters whether I believe people should feel guilty or not

It doesn't. It just smacked of a little 'high horsing' to me.

Re: 32

[velshtein]

I see. Sorry about that.