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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-03-06 05:43 am

[ SECRET POST #426 ]


⌈ Secret Post #426 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 67 secrets from Secret Submission Post #061.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] too big.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Re: 53

[identity profile] lilacsigil.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
I very much agree with you here - both Pullman and Lewis say some pretty silly and antagonistic things about their books, but it doesn't take away the beauty of them for me (except I've only ever read The Last Battle once because I found it so disturbing and wrong).

Pullman encouraged exploration and wonder in his books, including in religion - it's the "oppression and orthodoxy" that is despised. It's the behaviour of all the religious people who try to use their beliefs to control others, from the religious anti-abortionists to my best friend in high school who worried I was going to Hell, not the beauty, kindness, sincerity and art of religious expression.

Re: 53

[identity profile] agnes-perdita.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
I'm glad I didn't come across like a Lewis basher with my dislike for The Last Battle because I agree with you completely about how magical his books can be.

And yes! That's a great way of putting it and it's pretty much what I took away from the book too. Pullman tries for an adventure story about the potential transformation of belief as a controlling, authority that asks its followers to cower in shame. There's lots you could say about it and about whether his final 'Republic of Heaven' would work or not, but ultimately, it's a highly positive, affirmation to end on and not achieved through the debasement of 'God.' Anyway, preaching to the choir and all that. ;) Should just ask though if those are the 12 Apostles in your icon there? They look so much like them, so I must assume that you're Australian/Victorian like myself? :D

Re: 53

[identity profile] lilacsigil.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 06:53 am (UTC)(link)
My icon is indeed the 12 Apostles, because I live quite near them. *waves to fellow Victorian* I considered them especially appropriate to the discussion as they used to be called "The Sow and Pigs" but were re-named to bring the tourists!

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[identity profile] agnes-perdita.livejournal.com 2008-03-07 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, I had no idea! Ooh dear, what a lark. Actually, I'm not sure if The Sow and the Pigs wouldn't have been a hit with the tourists, they could come under the misinterpretation that it was a noted historical site with a famed English style pub. Surely that too would have its appeal?

And I friended you if you don't mind. It's fun having people on the frienslist reference various goings-on that I'm actually familiar with beyond a standard wikipedia/guardian/nytimes search.